Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

[tikkakormaandsomerice]

So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

DSL at our school gets £32k. Works 52 weeks more or less and is always working.
Always unwell and run down.
Not enough!

Progression is definitely not automatic. I'm stuck on M6, and I can't progress, because obstacles are constantly created - basically the school can't afford it. I do the same job as other colleagues who got there before budgets got so tight.

Rubbish- they certainly don't.

Don't be so ridiculous. Some people who work from home might skive but not everyone.

I WFH and I can promise you I'm "worth" considerably more than £20k.

I had to submit a 2 year portfolio of evidence to get onto ups1 - TLRs are few and far between. My OH retrained as an electrician 3 years ago and his salary already matches mine (with a degree, post grad and 11 years experience).

Most primary teachers do lead a subject or area of the school after they have completed their ECT year.

Teachers are fairly well paid (in public sector terms) especially when you factor in the holidays /pensions/ sick pay etc

(Cue screams of teachers claiming they never get a holiday etc etc )

They should be well paid of course

Same.

Nursing

All teachers have extra responsibilities. Some are paid, some are not.

In primary schools they certainly do!

Head teacher I know £78k this year!

£78k?

For looking after 400-600 kids and basically being the CEO of a small company with 10’s of employees, millions in revenue to balance etc. let alone the actual issue of teaching children and all the safeguarding issues these days. Doesn’t sound enough.

Me too. That thread was shocking! Not everyone who wfh are pisstakers!

Our head teacher (inner city state comp) is on 95k. MAT.

No, all teachers without additional responsibilities progress eventually to up3 (upper pay scale)

You are so wrong @Creatingusernamesismygame . Back in the day, progression through the salary scale was reasonably straightforward. But now schools simply can't afford to have their staff progress to the upper pay scales, so they put all kinds of obstacles in their way. And some academies dont even let people progress through the first part of the scale without hoop jumping.

You're not a teacher and you have a sample of one behind your absolutely outdated assertion. Why one earth would you be so definite about something you have no actual knowledge or experience of? I know of excellent teachers in their 50s who are still on M6.

To be fair, degrees are two a penny these days as so many people went to uni over the past 20 years and a lot of jobs now state one as an entry requirement. They certainly don't hold the same status like they used to.

@LuluBlakey1 they absolutely definitely do

They certainly do in all the primaries around me.

You simply cannot compare £39k teaching with £39k in a different role.

The average teacher works 195 days compared to 225 days in regular role. And overtime is not exclusive to teaching. They also get employer pension contributions of up to 30% salary, compared to private sector where the average worker gets 3%.

Therefore average teacher pay of £39k is equivalent to around £55k in a job if you equivalise total comp and working days.

Teaching is not a low paid job.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, @tikkakormaandsomerice?
I'm interested as to why you are so invested in asking.... 🤷🏻‍♀️
Perhaps you could tell us all why.

I'd love to know where you got your figures from!

No one has ever said teaching is a low paid job.

It IS low paid for the hours, expectations and qualifications needed to do the job.

There is a difference.

I used to teach part time, 3 days a week. I was on ups3. I left teaching and work 3 days week on £13 an hour. If I wanted to I could take on another similarly paid part time job and I’d earn more and work less hours than I did contracted to those three teaching days. If teachers were paid by the hour they’d be on less than minimum wage. It’s a totally thankless, completely misunderstood and undervalued profession.

What's the point in saying what a teacher would earn if they didn't have the unpaid holidays?