Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

[tikkakormaandsomerice]

So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

Friends son a Newly qualified teacher only takes home 1500 a month. !!! Appaling as he is in charge of thirty one 8 year olds

Secondary school, maths £38k

Not in secondary schools.

Not in secondary schools

I don’t think teacher salaries are bad overall.

And salaries aren’t the only benefit of course….13 weeks holiday a year isn’t to be sniffed at. And those who say they have to work during the holidays: even if you had to work 4 weeks solid of those holidays to catch up, that still leaves you with 9 weeks which is a hell of a lot more than the 5 weeks most people get.

Again...they're not bad as a salary.

They are incredibly bad for the workload, hours, responsibility and education needed for the job.

But isn’t that the case for a lot of jobs? I have a couple of teacher friends and they do a fantastic job and work incredibly hard. I also have friends in other very stressful roles (eg nhs, prison service) who work very long hours/no lunch breaks/no paid overtime etc and so on but who only get 5/6 weeks holiday.

All I’m saying is that there are a lot of jobs where people work very long hours/have a lot of responsibility…but I feel like we’re expected to feel sorry for teachers all the time even though they’re simply in the same boat as a lot of other people.

Show your workings please.

You'd be a pretty piss poor banker not to have some kind of pension scheme going, as well...

The only correct answer to the OP's goady question is

"Not enough by far to recruit and retain the number of teachers that we need, so that each class has a qualified teacher in front of it"

We don't have enough teachers. So however well paid you think it is, it's not enough.

Well... teachers and NHS workers are all on strike or have threatened strikes, just saying...

Does that not tell you something?

It's not about pitting us against each other- I stand in solidarity with NHS workers, and I think we all deserve a better deal.

It’s worth noting that the pay scales linked to are England only. Teachers in Scotland get paid much more. A teacher on M6 in Scotland gets £10k more than they would in England.

Well, exactly.

If we're going to live in a capitalist system, we need to play by capitalist rules. Therefore, what judges the salary that a profession "needs" is the salary that attracts enough people to do the job (and ideally some surplus so employers can pick the best fit).

At the moment, we have a national shortage of teachers which is getting worse. So clearly salaries, workload, benefits etc are not appropriate.

I assume wildly most people on mumsnet have children who will go through secondary education. I know some will use private schools, but most private schools still need their teachers trained (in part) via the state sector, and often don't want to employ ECTs either.

So if you want your children to have subject specialist teachers, then pay needs to improve. Workload and immediate, tangible benefits (not the pension- the pension is irrelevant to a lot of younger teachers) need to change.

But then again, a lot of parents on mumsnet insisted they'd be happy to have their children taught by an unqualified 19yo apprentice recently, so....

Nhs (nurses, drs, ambulance...) are also on strike.
Prison teachers get similar or slightly higher pay than school teachers, with much, much lower workload.

Why the 6000 infilled teachers posts? Any other ideas how to fill them if pay and holidays isn’t enticing them?
anyone? It’s either workload or more pay or give up and have them baby sat by unqualifieds whilst a teacher is beamed down the screen. Or we recruit from overseas like the NHS but apparently some people don’t like that!

No not about pitting people against eachother at all; I just don’t know why (a minority of) teachers always seem to feel sorry for themselves.

More so than any other career: Eg saying “well I don’t get a lunch break, I have to work 12 hour days”……so do I but I don’t constantly bellyache about it and I recognise that it’s my choice to do the job I do. And I also recognise that I have agency over my career choice: if it’s that bad I can look for another job, as can teachers (and all power to those who want to get out and do so rather than wallowing).

Why do you think teachers want better funding for schools?

Hint: it's not for themselves

This particular thread though is purely about teacher pay, so it's not "bellyaching" to respond to the OPs question.

@LuluBlakey1

"Rubbish- they certainly don't."

In response to this: oh yes they do. In primary once you've passed your ECT your given a subject to lead. And it's not unusual in small primaries to lead more than one subject, sometimes even three.

Grrr *you're not your

Would you? Because if you do then please go ahead and look them up, they’re widely available.

This whole ‘agency’ argument is beyond stupid and I cannot believe how many people keep trotting it out as a way of responding to strike action.

Are you incapable of understanding what happens if all the disgruntled teachers/doctors/nurses (and there is a LOT of them) decide to go and work in Tesco? We would be utterly, utterly fucked. We need them. These are essential jobs for a functioning society, not a bloody nice to have.

And guess what? It’s already happening!!! They are leaving in their droves because of shit working conditions and pay, further exacerbating system pressures and causing even more to leave!! There are retention crises left right and centre in the public sector atm.

But no, you’re right: they should all just stop complaining and find other work and we’ll draft in the army to cover double maths and do the ward rounds 🙄

All of the posters saying how amazing it is being a teacher in terms of pay and holidays. Why do you not choose to be a teacher then? Why is there a massive teacher shortage? Why are teachers leaving in droves?

Not much ☹️

I'm not a teacher but husband is. We left the uk 9 years ago for the Middle East. Money far better (and tax free) and work life balance was better too. Recently relocated to SE Asia - pay is far far less but COL far lower so we aren't any worse off ( except I'm not working right now). I'd recommend any young teachers to get two years experience in the UK , then leave. He has been able to move up the ladder a lot more easily than he could have in the UK. Teachers work hard anyway , but seem to be more highly valued when overseas. Majority of schools will give you accommodation, or give you a rent allowance.

This happened to me and after 4 years of being stuck on M6 I left teaching altogether. The school gave the most ridiculous reasons for not progressing onto UPS. I knew my own worth so left teaching.

I'm now self employed, so much happier, earn more. There are no boundaries with teaching and not a care for anyone's wellbeing.....I won't rant on!

As a teacher I don’t think the salary is bad - but it’s the schools that make it bad. With unrealistic expectations. Schools need more funding overall.

I am a teacher in London with a responsibility and I earn £60k a year (ups and tlr)
I start at 8.15 and leave at 4pm
Very rarely do work in the evenings and do not work in the holidays. I use my holidays to spend with my child.
If I can’t get it done I don’t do it. I prioritise and will tell my employer that I need additional time.

Teachers in schools which abide by standard pay and conditions are only directed to work 1265hours/195days - unless your paid on leadership.
But many academies bypass the directed time calendar - the government decisions, academy chains all make this a problem.