Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

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So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

45k in London is "whopping!" 🤣🤣🤣

Where else would a deputy head of a department be paid as low as 45k?

45k salary is a lot to many people who also have trained, skilled and degree levels jobs.

Shove your “holidays” where the sun don’t shine.

I have 50 essays of approx 4000 words each to mark in the previous moments of my “holidays” when I get to pay for my toddler to be in nursery so I can mark to meet the external deadlines.

One hour each, optimistically? So fifty hours of marking? And that’s not counting all the other work jobs that have to be done over Easter.

I’m so exhausted I could cry. But sure, the holidays. Get fucked.

As an average team member yes. But deputy head of department? There is nowhere where 45k is seen as a good salary for that! Let alone in London.

You can't really compare a teachers salary to most other jobs because they don't work on a 52 week contract. So saying say, 28k is low, well it would be if the contract was a 52 weeks one.

Teachers get paid LOADS compared to everyone else, such a cushy job…. That must be why we are so overrun with teachers and why everyone is beating down our doors to work in our schools…

oh hold on a minute….. 🙄

Goady thread.

There’s a recruitment crisis for teachers so think that tells you everything you need to know about their salaries and work load

But it's not paid holiday. I can't believe this is still being spouted out!

I've been teaching for 17 years with a large whole school additional responsibility. I have a degree and a masters degree. I bring home about £2k per month after tax, NI, Pension, student loan etc.

I'm 33 and have been teaching for 8 years, I'm now an assistant headteacher and earn £52k.

Only 3 weeks of the school holidays are paid, the other 10 weeks are unpaid. No, I won't be working for free during the school holidays.

Oh, and anywhere else, being head of department would be your actual job. You wouldn't be doing the main job (to full time hours at least) plus leading a department.

Honestly don’t know why any teachers are responding to this goady post. You don’t have to justify your salary.

I’d like OP to post what they do for a living, their qualifications, level of experience, plus salary, so we can debate what value it is.

Do tell OP.

@Toddyforlottie this was me a few years ago. I got totally disillusioned with it all.

Sometimes I go on Linked in and I can see what some of my ex pupils do now (this will seem weird/unprofessional to some state school teachers but when you are in charge of a boarding house the relationships are much closer).

Anyway, the vast majority are out-earning me by miles now. There are barristers, bankers, high fliers. I wrote much of their A-Level coursework and therefore in a way helped them to get where they are now. I think I worked harder as a teacher than some of them worked as pupils. Doesn’t seem right.

My brother is a deputy head of department in IT (not education, NW England), 3 years out of uni, and is on 75k. I'm about to hit UPS3 which means the only way my pay can go up is by getting a Leadership job, which also comes with no fixed working hours and can be directed to work during holidays. And even THEN it wouldn't be close to 75k. Our entire science and 3/4 of our MFL department have handed their notice in because they've found higher paying salaries within private companies that want their STEM/language skills. So really we want to be paying teachers MORE than 'other sectors' if we wait to retain good teachers.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what the salary is, if it's not competitive, then you have to pay more. My plumber is on more than me and if I have to call him out on a weekend, I get charged extra. Can you imagine if I started billing parents for having to mark their child's assessments on a Sunday? Can you imagine if midway through a meeting with a worried parent, I got up and told them i was off because I had completed my 37.5 hours for the week (which many friends in the corporate sector brag about doing during their meetings)? Or if I was sick didn't leave anything for my classes to be getting on with? If I told my plumber, you've got to work X hours overtime but I'm not paying you extra, I would have no plumber.

We've had a massive shift, not just in teaching, after covid. The workload had increased, the pressure has increased, and behaviour has become worse. People are recognising that teaching is just a job and their families and their mental health come first. You can't compare it to other jobs in other sectors if they are not struggling to recruit and retain to the same extent teaching is.

Does it? My northern job with post grad equivalent qualification (although I have 2 but only one required) and 10 years experience (I’m also 33) is over £100k… and I’m not trusted with the next generation of minds.

Our entire science and 3/4 of our MFL department have handed their notice in because they've found higher paying salaries within private companies that want their STEM/language skills. So really we want to be paying teachers MORE than 'other sectors' if we wait to retain good teachers

This is the key. There's a huge shortage of teachers, especially in science. Any time there's a MN discussion along the lines of 'what degree did you do, what job did you get, how much do you earn' there's endless posts from people with science degrees in Pharma, banking and other professions on £100k+, so riches beyond the wildest dreams of most teachers.

This is what teaching is competing against, so can't go on paying most teachers £30-40k for a job with shit pay and conditions. Who'd choose teaching when they can earn 2 or 3 times as much in other professions?

I’m just thinking of that “what types of skiving do you get up to when you WFH” thread the other day and it’s making me depressed.

You can NEVER switch off as a teacher, yet we have these jokers of civil servants, IT managers, etc. working about 2 hours a day tops for £85k and spending most of their time pottering around the garden, doing laundry or prepping dinner. It’s a joke.

Anyone who “works” from home is not worth more than £20k per annum.

And yes I do realise teachers are civil servants, but I’m thinking about nonsense roles like “equality and diversity manager” at some sleepy government department. That sort.

Compared with bankers, lawyers etc £40k doesn't seem like a huge salary. But the £40k doesn't include the 24% teachers pension or the fact that it's 36-39 weeks per year.
If you take these into consideration an M6 is the equivalent of a £75k salary.
I'm not for one minute saying teachers shouldn't be paid more but let's be honest about the remuneration package teachers receive.

Academies can set their own rules and many dont do TLRs.

One thing to note is they have improved starting pay to attract new recruits, but not the pay for experienced teachers. So the pay scales have been compressed and it does nothing for retention.

I have to work my holidays though otherwise I wouldn't complete my tasks and then be put on a support plan. So it's not really renumeration, it's a way to keep salaries down and paying people what they are owed.

That's what happened when the NMW went up too. They had a (quite rightly) bigger pay rise but those in higher positions with more experience/responsibilities didn't get the same rise, probably due to it being unaffordable, so the gap was minimal.

It ended up with Jane earning just over £10 an hour in an unskilled job and Jill earning £11 per hour in a management role that has lots of responsibilities and needs experience.

A lot in my sector actually stepped down a role because the 30p extra an hour just wasn't worth the extra stress and responsibility anymore.

But as well as salary, lots of those professionals are also getting:

12%+ salary
private medical
25-30 days + 8 bank holidays
bonus
flexible working
phone
and several other benefits

So yes some M6 teachers are in £75k plus 20%+ pension but don’t have any of the other package.