Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

[tikkakormaandsomerice]

So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

Every time I look, the media tells you teachers earn a fortune.

Yes but a teacher of 20 years experience could be on M6 so you would hope they would earn more than the average salary.

Exactly this ^

I've posted my OHs take home, so you can see for yourself what a class teacher is earning.

Not all teachers progress to ups and schools really like you to prove you are having whole school impact. This essentially means taking on a tlr level responsibility. I know numerous teachers who have had their ups used as a stick to beat them with in capability proceedings to get rid of them.

What are you googling? Plenty of folks have posted and irs below average ro average earnings

What? She’s 33 , she’s hardly young.

Oh I don't know. Not all teacher jobs involve stress and hassle. I have a teacher friend who is quite comfortable and stress free. It depends on the school. You can't generalise

No where near enough.

I’m not saying I’d like to be a teacher and I know they work hard, but when comparing these salaries to other professions you’ve got to also take account of the amount of paid holiday they get - 3 months or so compared to 3-4 weeks in most jobs

My school kept me on M4 because I had been on mat leave. The next year they kept me down because I didn't meet my target of writing the new scheme of learning for my subject at ks5. I didn't write it because my subject was phased out, so I wrote one for another subject instead. They refused to agree that that still met my target.
My point is that you don't just automatically go up the pay scales.

Another issue is part time. It's really difficult to get onto UPS if you are not working full time because you have to demonstrate doing something across the whole school, which usually requires you to be a head of department or head of year. However, schools are reluctant to take on part timers in these more important roles. So many part time staff are stuck on M6.

Oh yes, and to go up a level eg from M4 to M5 you have to meet your targets. In a secondary school this would involve a certain % passing their GCSEs or A Levels. If the kids want to piss about and don't pass them then you don't get a pay rise!

My DD is Head of Maths at a midlands academy chain school, she’s on £50k but her workload is insane and she’s considered a specialist.

It’s a graduate profession that requires additional training. Of course it should be above the average. I hope it is.

You should probably have a word with your employer. It doesn’t sound like you are receiving your statutory entitlement of 5.6 weeks’ annual leave.

I can’t speak for everyone else, but I keep a log of hours and average about 2050 per year. That is more than 9 - 5.30 with a half hour lunch and six weeks AL, which is what most get when you add bank hols, so I don’t need to consider the holidays.

Goady post.

You knew the answer as it’s discussed on here frequently and/or easily available to see online given recent press.

You wanted to start (another) debate on how ‘it seems high’, without knowing, well, seemingly anything.

@LittleRebelGirl
I know it's an absolute shitter but get him to pay into the pension if you can. Hubbys a teacher and I'm a financial adviser (and ex-teacher 🙃)
He doesn't take much more than your partner on MP6 because of the adjustments in tax, NI and the whopping pension payment (9.6%) but the pension is one of the best workplace pensions still available and worth doing asap when you can afford it

50 billion pounds plus 67 weeks holiday and they only work 2 hours a week.

Is that what you're looking for?

HoD at an independent school; I earn £48,000. When I started there from a state school my salary jumped £11,000. This was 14 years ago.

Not nearly enough for the workload and crap they put up with. Speaking from experience.

@Sunset6
3 months holiday my arse. I worked every day of my 'holidays' while I was teaching and gave up the career as I was sick of it.
Not to mention long days during term time, parents evenings that go on til 8 etc.

My sister in-law is a secondary English teacher in London, and deputy head of English and gets paid a whopping 45k!

That seems decent to me, considering all the holidays they get. But she doesn't like the job and wants to find something else outside of teaching, but obv nothing else pays as well so it's a bit of a catch 22.

@Sunset6 which careers in the uk are getting 3 weeks holiday a year?