Out of complete nosinesses, how much do teachers get paid?

[tikkakormaandsomerice]

So primary teachers
Secondary school teachers

What would they roughly get paid?

@noblegiraffe @Nimbostratus100

No it isn't.

I said that the pay of healthcare professionals was the only one I’d seen discussed as often as that if teachers, and that many people considered it to be too low, so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.

What a shocker.

Goady post by the OP followed up with 1 or 2 leading questions to really stir it up, then doesn’t come back.

@borntobequiet

I'm not sure what point you're making either tbh. Or why you replied to me.

The point I was answering was that only teachers pay was ever discussed.

Which is obviously untrue

If teaching was such a cushy well paid job for so few hours and abundant holidays they wouldn't have such a recruitment and retention problem. Graduates would be fighting for teacher training places and experienced staff would never leave until they retired.

Instead they fail to recruit a fraction of the teacher they need despite £30k + bursaries to trainees. Teachers who do qualify leave in droves.

Education as a whole is a complete mess in the UK. I’m in America and desperate to get the heck out so my children can attend a normal school which isn’t subject to the histrionics of the latest flavor of politics. Except that I know my only option to achieve that is to attend a selective private school.

Teacher pay is ridiculously low, which when combined with the societal issues which land on schools, creates horrific working conditions for teachers. I’m not in favor of returning to Victorian values but there is a middle ground of a society with better wealth distribution, so less deprivation which enables teacher to teach and not try and attach band aids to social problems they should never be forced to manage.

Discipline is an issue. I’m working with UK teams and the talent is there but it’s not being developed properly. I’m coaching these graduates and the biggest gap is a lack of discipline resulting in a lack of attention to detail. These skills should be honed during their secondary education.

I understand if you can’t clarify your argument.

@noblegiraffe

There's nothing to clarify.

Stop being so passive aggressive lol

“Can you clarify your argument?”

”No”

🤷‍♀️

Actually it's more like

I'm going to pretend I can't understand your perfectly reasonable and understandable argument out of snideness.

It's not that I can't.

It's that I don't believe you genuinely need clarification

But if you genuinely do, specify exactly what it is you dont understand and I'll do my best to say it terms you'll understand

This post.

give up @noblegiraffe , we are not going to get any clarity

I'll bite. Scottish secondary teacher here. I'm on pay point 3 and in August on 4. I'll be on £45,060.21 gross. And I earn every penny. And I chose my career for the holidays during which I relax.

Thats why there seem to be so many rubbish teachers out there these days. Some that can’t even spell.
if you’re not happy in teaching re train to be someone else/something else! So many opportunities out there and support these days! Anyone can be anyone if you put the effort and time in!

Well clearly we don’t understand each other and probably never will.

However I’m not sure if anyone actually said that it was only teachers’ pay that is ever discussed. But if they did, yes, they’re wrong.

The 25 weeks a year was part of the analogy to off shore workers working patterns.

Always best to read the posts.

I was referencing the fact that no one will fire you from your job as a teacher and hence that’s why there are. To be so many rubbish teachers these days!!

As many teachers have realised, and so have left teaching. Which maybe why your child might be taught GCSE Maths by someone with no more than a C grade at A level in the subject (if you’re lucky).

What gets me is that teachers are always accused of saying they work harder than everyone else blah blah blah.

I've never seen a teacher see this. I've also never seen threads that critique salaries of another profession in such a faux wide-eyed innocent way.

It's so boring

Yep. In my experience, teachers tend to say that they work harder than people think they do. And then, only in response to barbed comments about their holidays or their '9-3 working hours'.
Of course they're going to defend themselves against such misconceptions. Anyone would.

My nurse DD works full time. But her F/T is three days of 13 hours shifts. No-one tells her she's "only part time". Or "only works half the week"
(Her job is of course really hard in other ways and gets different types of criticism)

I am M6 and been teaching for 13 years.

I didn't bother going for UPS as you need to collect evidence in folder form where you gather evidence to prove that you have met each of the teaching standards. You also have to take on a responsibility to get the UPS. All for 1.5k ish.... A year.... I had a look and it looked like it would push me into the higher percentage pension bracket, basically wiping out anything extra I would have made. So didn't bother!

it can be very difficult to get out of teaching, and as for spelling, you learn spelling by reading, so any teacher is going to read thousands of misspellings, and their natural spelling may well deteriorate over the years.

I think Scotland is very different to England

@sofabedsofa

I did read the posts

No one (except the post I replied to saying teachers are told they get 25 weeks holiday) said anything about 25 weeks holiday so there's no need to defend against and accusation that doesn't happen.

@borntobequiet

Yup

Page 8.

Haven't seen any other public sector worker scrutinised as much