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Mother’s Day- are we setting unrealistic expectations

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Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:17

Just read yet another thread where women have been upset by husbands “ruining” Mother’s Day for posters. So much disappointment, dissatisfaction and hurt being discussed

when I was young Mother’s Day was not the commercialised as it is now. I don’t remember any fathers doing stuff for his wife as his children’s mother. Usually it was schools and Sunday schools, particularly, that got kids to make a mothers day card, or encouraged kids to pick some flowers (ok, we had less regard for picking wild flowers back then🤦‍♀️) . That was it. Only involved kids that were old enough to do something for their mums under a steer from school or church. The main things for mums was Mothering Sunday church service - that wasn’t driven by dads , but by tradition and the church. In some churches mums got a small bunch of daffs to recognise their efforts whether they were new mums, Grans or whatever

up until relatively recently most dads would play little or no part until Sunday service. And certainly not be buying gifts or doing cards on behalf of babies who can’t hold a pencil yet. Mums didn’t get a day off. Often there was a bigger family roast on Sunday - I do remember though an expectation that the blokes would do the washing up to give mum a rest. But it certainly never was a “special all day” for mums to relax and not do anything with dads doing everything and all.

yes, there would have been exceptions . Some dads would have given mum a cuppa in bed etc. but that wasn’t the norm .

we all know the vast majority of men do not do the emotional labour regarding social celebrations and family rituals. A lot used to be part of a social calander through churches who upheld these traditions. But church no longer plays that role in most of our lives. I’m quite convinced that left to men we’d have abandoned birthday celebrations and Xmas years ago, when most people stopped going to church.

why are so many women setting themselves up for a fall here. Yep, there are men who will recognise and do lovely things for the “mums” in their lives including their own wives, but a lot of men are just doing the minimum or nothing in accordance with what they do for all the other traditions in the house. If you remember all the birthdays, do most of Xmas , why would you then be disappointed your husband does sod all for Mother’s Day for you.

im not saying it’s right. But I think there’s a lot of heart ache here from having very unreal expectations of Mother’s Day. It was a church service . It was a way of getting bums on seats in a church and therefore money in donation coffers (ok, bit cynical but true) .

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Randomuser9876 · 20/03/2023 10:25

I've noticed the same.

Imo it's because women so all the heavy lifting in families as well as work so their expectations for Mothers day are sky high!!

It would take a yacht around the Sechelles with free flowing champagne while sat on a unicorn skin rug opening endless luxury gifts to compensate for my efforts so some Oliver Bonas earrings and a trip to the local carvery not quite cutting it!!!!!

I think that's why there are so many moany threads anyway.

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:32

I don’t think a father buying a card and some flowers on the behalf of young children (or facilitating older children buying them) is an ‘unrealistic expectation’ though is it? I mean my husband manages it, it’s not particularly onerous.
We are atheist so have no interest in the religious aspect of it, but it’s nice to get some flowers and a card and have a day where I can relax! And that doesn’t mean my husband and children don’t show appreciation all year round, they absolutely do, but a bit ‘extra’ on Mother’s Day is still nice.
I just think telling women to ‘expect less’ is letting their families off the hook. They can’t manage a small token of appreciation once a year, yet that’s the woman’s fault for her expectations being too high?
Then again I don’t do all the birthday/Christmas stuff either (being a woman doesn’t make me instinctively better at those things) so maybe I do have higher expectations than most. Thankfully for me my family lives up to those expectations I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️.

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DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:32

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

You put it much more succinctly than me!

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:32

I will add, I’m not a cynical mum whose kids don’t do anything. I still have some lovely Mother’s Day cards made by them as kids in my memory box, and got a flower delivery on Saturday form them jointly , and a quick call/ message chat from each on Sunday . I’m delighted that they continue to recognise , but cynical enough to think their partners probably do some prompting.

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museumum · 20/03/2023 10:36

The whole church thing was never a part of my childhood as a Scottish Catholic, it's either English or Protestant, I'm not sure which. But Mother's day has in my lifetime (born mid 70s) always been about giving a token of appreciation to your mother. Whether that's a cup of tea in bed, or a bunch of flowers, or a card.
It's not 'commercial' to expect a token of appreciation. Nobody on any of the upset threads I've read has complained about the nature of the token, they have all complained about the fact their DH clearly does not appreciate their contribution to the family at all or they're too lazy or somehow embarrassed to show it.

stbrandonsboat · 20/03/2023 10:38

I think we've become a very transactional society in that people have started looking for recognition and compensation for their efforts, not only in terms of being employed, but also in their personal lives too - like 'push presents' for example.

Duty has taken a back seat and people expect compensation for doing things or they're dodging their responsibilities altogether - avoiding child support for example.

Mothers put in a disproportionate amount of effort in that we tend to do all the emotional work as well as working a job, childcare, housework, paying bills etc. and it's nice to have recognition for this effort. Instead, many end up with another child - a partner who makes no/little effort - and feel short changed.

PuttingDownRoots · 20/03/2023 10:39

I'm mid 30s... my Dad definitely helped to organise the mothers day presents! Made a card a nursery, definitely not school.

TedMullins · 20/03/2023 10:40

Speak for yourself. I wouldn’t, and don’t, accept a male partner doing absolutely bugger all. I don’t have kids but think this “oh you know men are useless, that’s just what they’re like” attitude just gaslights women into thinking it’s ok/normal, and demands nothing of men. Similarly I have no part in what my partner does for his own mother on Mother’s Day or Christmas etc because that’s his responsibility. Im not his secretary.

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:41

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

Men did lift fingers..but in different ways. I’m not talking about generally lazy gits or cock lodgers fgs.

I’m talking about a day called MOTHERS day and it being about kid’s recognising their mums efforts , not WIVES day and husbands recognising their wife’s efforts. That is probably where a lot of blokes are confused - when did it become about husbands doing all the coordination and not about kids doing it off their own backs when they’re old enough? Almost all the posting are about husbands lack of effort, poor focus etc…not about kids not being arsed

thats what I am meaning that we are being unrealistic .

if we want to turn it into a partner/wife appreciation day, then crack on . That’s what you’re describing. It isn’t about your kids though.

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ladykale · 20/03/2023 10:41

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

Gosh the bar is so so low.

Basically asking men to do what women do on a daily basis.

No women aren't asking too much to want some flowers, a present and someone else to cook lunch or to be taking out for a meal!

BlueSeaWave · 20/03/2023 10:42

Well im glad I live now and not in the fantastic good old rose tinted old days. Sounds absolutely shit and unequal.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:43

museumum · 20/03/2023 10:36

The whole church thing was never a part of my childhood as a Scottish Catholic, it's either English or Protestant, I'm not sure which. But Mother's day has in my lifetime (born mid 70s) always been about giving a token of appreciation to your mother. Whether that's a cup of tea in bed, or a bunch of flowers, or a card.
It's not 'commercial' to expect a token of appreciation. Nobody on any of the upset threads I've read has complained about the nature of the token, they have all complained about the fact their DH clearly does not appreciate their contribution to the family at all or they're too lazy or somehow embarrassed to show it.

Yes, we didn’t go to church when I was a child in the 80’s but my dad still helped us to do something nice for my mum.
Honestly I think peoples expectations are too low to be honest. So many women saying things like ‘I just wanted one day of the year where I didn’t do everything in the house’. They should be getting more than one day a bloody year.

Squiblet · 20/03/2023 10:44

I agree - have been really surprised at all the posts on here moaning about how their DH/DP had not come up to scratch on Mother's Day. It would never have occurred to me to feel this way.

Once you create an expectation - "it's MY day and I deserve nice things!" - it puts the partner under an obligation and the whole thing gets toxic very quickly.

My DP reminds the kids in advance that mother's day is coming up, then bows out. Job done. If they make a card or make me dinner - which they usually do - fantastic. If not, there's no hard feelings.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:44

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:41

Men did lift fingers..but in different ways. I’m not talking about generally lazy gits or cock lodgers fgs.

I’m talking about a day called MOTHERS day and it being about kid’s recognising their mums efforts , not WIVES day and husbands recognising their wife’s efforts. That is probably where a lot of blokes are confused - when did it become about husbands doing all the coordination and not about kids doing it off their own backs when they’re old enough? Almost all the posting are about husbands lack of effort, poor focus etc…not about kids not being arsed

thats what I am meaning that we are being unrealistic .

if we want to turn it into a partner/wife appreciation day, then crack on . That’s what you’re describing. It isn’t about your kids though.

My husband manages not to be ‘confused’ by it. Good job he’s quite bright I guess.

stbrandonsboat · 20/03/2023 10:45

Men don't seem to be investing much social or emotional effort in their relationships if some threads on here are anything to go by. They seem to just exist in a series of relationships that they remain in until the woman can't tolerate things anymore then they're off to the next one. Look at how many men leave their partners after a baby comes on the scene. They can't even cope with that.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 20/03/2023 10:46

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

Yes I agree with this. I also think if you’re in a good relationship with a partner that does a fair share of parenting, cleaning, mental load of having children, then a cuppa in bed and a nice home made card might be fine.

If, as it is in a lot of the threads with women upset about Mother’s Day, a further example in a long pattern of shitty men being shitty, and therefore a very acute example of feeling under appreciated and you just get the card your child made in school you may well feel upset and pissed off.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:46

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:32

I will add, I’m not a cynical mum whose kids don’t do anything. I still have some lovely Mother’s Day cards made by them as kids in my memory box, and got a flower delivery on Saturday form them jointly , and a quick call/ message chat from each on Sunday . I’m delighted that they continue to recognise , but cynical enough to think their partners probably do some prompting.

Are your children male? Are you saying they needed prompting by female partners.

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:47

PuttingDownRoots · 20/03/2023 10:39

I'm mid 30s... my Dad definitely helped to organise the mothers day presents! Made a card a nursery, definitely not school.

Yep, but I’m in my 60s., and back in my childhood it wasnt the norm for dads to “do” Mother’s Day on behalf of their kids. I may be in my 69s, but it isn’t ancient history nor were my parents stuck in patriarchal stereotypes. My mum was an active feminist in the 1960s and my dad ironed his own shirts, did washing etc as well as more traditional “male” jobs

it’s like we’ve rewritten that Mothering Sunday is about (husbands appreciation not kids) but forgotten to get agreement with the husbands that we’ve changed the rules.

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Sunriseinwonderland · 20/03/2023 10:47

The whole thing is completely tedious. I don't care about Mother's day, my son cares about me all year round and is always very supportive. I don't needs cards or flowers to know that.
It used to be a church thing - neither of us are religious.
I told him not to send anything years ago, it's just another hallmark celebration day where people are pressured to spend money they don't have and everyone gets upset.

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:48

60s not 69s

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DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 10:49

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:47

Yep, but I’m in my 60s., and back in my childhood it wasnt the norm for dads to “do” Mother’s Day on behalf of their kids. I may be in my 69s, but it isn’t ancient history nor were my parents stuck in patriarchal stereotypes. My mum was an active feminist in the 1960s and my dad ironed his own shirts, did washing etc as well as more traditional “male” jobs

it’s like we’ve rewritten that Mothering Sunday is about (husbands appreciation not kids) but forgotten to get agreement with the husbands that we’ve changed the rules.

I mean, what would getting this ‘agreement’ look like? As I said, my husband has managed to realise that it’s quite nice for him to buy flowers/a card etc on behalf of our very young children without me having to sit him down and spell it out to him.

BlueSeaWave · 20/03/2023 10:50

@Whiteroomjoy what about Father’s Day? Do you help or remind the kids about Father’s Day and help them with a card? Its only fair if it is equal both ways.
fuck me, “who changed the rules and didn’t tell the poor men folk”

Crabo · 20/03/2023 10:53

I’m an older poster and my dad always ‘did’ Mother’s Day and saw we did it too. Not a huge deal but flowers and a card. Unfortunately we now live in a society where people see these things as a way of making a fast buck.

Cherryblossoms85 · 20/03/2023 10:54

Well I think given I just got back from a work trip several weeks long and my husband unpacked my suitcases, washed, ironed and put away all my clothes and tidied everything up whilst I disappeared from the aiport back to my all consuming computer in the study, and I then swanned off to the hairdresser on Saturday leaving him to entertain our three kids, it'd be rather rich for me to expect him to wait on me even more than he does. I think he needs Mother's Day!

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