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Mother’s Day- are we setting unrealistic expectations

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Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:17

Just read yet another thread where women have been upset by husbands “ruining” Mother’s Day for posters. So much disappointment, dissatisfaction and hurt being discussed

when I was young Mother’s Day was not the commercialised as it is now. I don’t remember any fathers doing stuff for his wife as his children’s mother. Usually it was schools and Sunday schools, particularly, that got kids to make a mothers day card, or encouraged kids to pick some flowers (ok, we had less regard for picking wild flowers back then🤦‍♀️) . That was it. Only involved kids that were old enough to do something for their mums under a steer from school or church. The main things for mums was Mothering Sunday church service - that wasn’t driven by dads , but by tradition and the church. In some churches mums got a small bunch of daffs to recognise their efforts whether they were new mums, Grans or whatever

up until relatively recently most dads would play little or no part until Sunday service. And certainly not be buying gifts or doing cards on behalf of babies who can’t hold a pencil yet. Mums didn’t get a day off. Often there was a bigger family roast on Sunday - I do remember though an expectation that the blokes would do the washing up to give mum a rest. But it certainly never was a “special all day” for mums to relax and not do anything with dads doing everything and all.

yes, there would have been exceptions . Some dads would have given mum a cuppa in bed etc. but that wasn’t the norm .

we all know the vast majority of men do not do the emotional labour regarding social celebrations and family rituals. A lot used to be part of a social calander through churches who upheld these traditions. But church no longer plays that role in most of our lives. I’m quite convinced that left to men we’d have abandoned birthday celebrations and Xmas years ago, when most people stopped going to church.

why are so many women setting themselves up for a fall here. Yep, there are men who will recognise and do lovely things for the “mums” in their lives including their own wives, but a lot of men are just doing the minimum or nothing in accordance with what they do for all the other traditions in the house. If you remember all the birthdays, do most of Xmas , why would you then be disappointed your husband does sod all for Mother’s Day for you.

im not saying it’s right. But I think there’s a lot of heart ache here from having very unreal expectations of Mother’s Day. It was a church service . It was a way of getting bums on seats in a church and therefore money in donation coffers (ok, bit cynical but true) .

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ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 20/03/2023 12:40

I always remember both my mother and my grandmother had their hair done for mother's day. A wash and set in readiness for the expectation of a nice day with family
Then every mother's day was the same fiasco.
We would make cards for mum at school
My dad would buy my grandmother a plant.

My mother would then start the same thing every year.. a big fallout with dad for not buying her a plan .. ..buys one for his mother but not for the mother of his children.... and carry it on until his dinner went up against the wall. We would end up crying every damn time.

I do not know for the life of me why he didn't just buy two plants for the sake of a quiet life

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:41

I will also add , to that last post, about mens lack of social awareness of ritual all, that they’re not in the wrong

women could do with learning that booking for Xmas office celebrations in august is ridiculous, as is having the dream of a perfect Xmas, or spending money on tat cards for random days thst card companies make money from

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SpideysMummy · 20/03/2023 12:42

Yes, I think expectations are unreasonable. But I suppose if your DP/DCs don’t show or tell you how much they appreciate you throughout the year, it might feel like a big deal.

DH didn’t get me anything. We’ve had a lot on our plates the last week or so so I wasn’t expecting anything. It’s more than enough that he gets up before me every morning, does the housework, and brings me a coffee in bed!

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Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:43

luckylavender · 20/03/2023 11:43

But it's not just Mother's Day is it? Easter, Christmas, Birthdays, Valentines, Wedding Anniversaries, significant anniversaries, push presents. You can't go long on here without someone being offended.

Yep, see my later chat above on socialisation of women to be the managers of rituals

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DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:43

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:38

I don’t have low expectations of men’s intelligence
This is about mens and women’s socialisation. As I said I’m not saying it’s right but it is what it is

woman are socialised to manage societies rituals. As a mum , even in my day (and fgs I’m 60 not an ancient old women , my mum was a 1960s feminist , and my youngest dc left university and became independent only 4 years ago), we would discuss Mother’s Day, we’d be doing nursery pick ups, school drop offs and it would come up in conversations. It was in womens magazines, it was in card and flower shops we’d visit, and nowadays it’s all over social media that heuristics ensure we see, MN that predominantly women go onto etc. Same as for Xmas, women on MN start posting about Xmas in august and September. It’s bloody hard to miss those types o& events if you’re a women

I have never heard the men in my life, including men at work, ever discuss Father’s Day other than saying they got a nice card or whatever AFTER the event. It is not generally something that comes up in men’s discussions, nor plans for Xmas in the minutiae that women’s social media go into (table decorations trends etc). Most men I’ve known, including at work, roll their eyes or are bemused when someone starts to try to book the office xmas do in august. These event planning are just not coming into their social awareness until the 11 th hour . Some of men egg each other on, and even see it as a badge of pride that they shouldn’t do stuff in advance - I once had a boss Bragg how he’d bought his wife’s xmas present on xmas eve by Amazon cos he relied on same day delivery🙄. Yep, they’re crap, but really, if you don’t know by now that it’s not on men’s radar until it’s imminent and blaring in front of them, you’re living under a bush

I don’t think some women understand how much conditioning we get to be emotional labourers, from our upbringing, our social media, our reading material, our interaction with children’s caregivers, and we are being constantly reminded of events as they come up. We get treated a lot harsher if we miss or forget events. Right now in society , men do not get that same social pressure or awareness - it’s not that they are stupid or I’ve low opinion of their intelligence, - they just don’t see it, hear it, or get the same level of negative social pressure for not making the effort as women do.

some men do get it- they stick it in their diaries or remeber it cost heirloom mothers would, and probably have in past, had a melt down when they’ve forgotten , My ex, would get kids to make something on Mother’s Day, but he’d show his appreciation of me all through the year (ok, he’s an ex but after 30 years of marriage and I’ve never had cause to criticise his efforts in this front ). But bloody hell, I didn’t expect him to know the unwritten rules about my expectations he’d not agreed to , nor did I expect to have a random day off , dictated by card companies and the church, while he ran around like a blue arsed fly while I did my “princess” for a day . I’d get a lie in and a cuppa, then game on as usual and that was lovely and fine by me- it’s a commercial , money making day and I’d rather have his support on the day and times I needed it

society will not change with positioning women as th primary movers and shakers of rituals until money making is removed. Why thechell do you think so many women allow themselves to b manipulate by social media, magazines, marketing, to have the perfect Xmas lunch,c the perfect table setting, the new hell of Xmas eve boxes. We’re socialised as people pleaser and everyone is making money out of that

I actually agree with everything you’ve said here. So why do you think we should perpetuate this by telling women their expectations are too high? Things will never change if that’s the attitude we have to it.
Yes I have ‘high expectations’ of my husband. Why wouldn’t I? We should all have standards and expectations from our relationships, just as others have expectations of us.
Why is the focus on lowering women’s expectations, and not men raising their game?

Mrsjayy · 20/03/2023 12:44

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

This really, it doesn't take much thought to buy a card &flowers for your Dc mother and honestly if dad's are that thoughtless that they can't be arsed then that's on them, not the mum who would like a bit of appreciation.

VioletaDelValle · 20/03/2023 12:44

Yep, they’re crap, but really, if you don’t know by now that it’s not on men’s radar until it’s imminent and blaring in front of them, you’re living under a bush

Ridiculous.
The VAST majority of men I know are able to plan and prepare for occasions. They're not idiots nor are they selfish and inconsiderate.

I think you need to update your sexist outdated views OP!

Reallybadidea · 20/03/2023 12:45

I hear you about not expecting shitty men to be different for one day, but why are you blaming women for their "unrealistic expectations" instead of the men who are rubbish partners?

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:45

And it’s nothing about money for me, and for many of the people women posting yesterday. It’s about effort and recognition. I got some cards and bookmarks from my older children that my husband helped them to make, and my favourite chocolate from my youngest child who is disabled and cannot anything like that himself, so my husband did it for him.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 20/03/2023 12:46

Viviennemary · 20/03/2023 11:47

Its beyond ridiculous. A card used to be fine. Seems that partmers are either saints or demons on here.

I completely agree! It doesn't help posters whipping each other up into a froth either over a hallmark day.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:47

Yep, they’re crap, but really, if you don’t know by now that it’s not on men’s radar until it’s imminent and blaring in front of them, you’re living under a bush

Because that’s not my experience. Maybe it’s an age thing, but my husband is perfectly capable of planning for an occasion and putting the effort in. All his friends seem to manage it too. Looks like things may be moving in the right direction.

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:50

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:11

Agree to some extent, but from what I saw most of the women who were upset yesterday weren’t expecting the earth, they just wanted something. They’d have been happy if their partners had taken the kids to the shop to choose a card and their favourite chocolate bar.

OP in a PP you say that you expected that your children’s partners gave them a ‘nudge’ about Mother’s Day. Why? Because they’re men? If your children were women would you expect their partners to give them a nudge? Because despite your protestations I think that underlines the premise of this thread; you think men are somehow less able than women to remember and acknowledge special occasions. If that’s not the case, why do you expect your sons to need a nudge to acknowledge their mother on Mother’s Day?

See my response just above - how women get nudges form other sources re the managers of rituals and men don’t.
god knows for sure, I’ve pondered this for years. My own dc aren’t at all bad at remembering , but even they probably only got Mother’s Day on their radar cos their partner mentioned it first re their own mum . It’s such a ramndom day an£ changes each year. I could be wrong and maybe partner didn’t. They don’t forget my birthday, and as youngster I made sure that they put birthdays in their diaries on phone etc- I had zero tolerance for not taking action to remind themselves if they had technology like that.

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DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:52

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:50

See my response just above - how women get nudges form other sources re the managers of rituals and men don’t.
god knows for sure, I’ve pondered this for years. My own dc aren’t at all bad at remembering , but even they probably only got Mother’s Day on their radar cos their partner mentioned it first re their own mum . It’s such a ramndom day an£ changes each year. I could be wrong and maybe partner didn’t. They don’t forget my birthday, and as youngster I made sure that they put birthdays in their diaries on phone etc- I had zero tolerance for not taking action to remind themselves if they had technology like that.

Not sure I buy that to be honest. Shops and supermarkets have been full of Mother’s Day reminders for weeks. Unless you’re saying men don’t go in shops?

LondonJax · 20/03/2023 12:52

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 12:38

I don’t have low expectations of men’s intelligence
This is about mens and women’s socialisation. As I said I’m not saying it’s right but it is what it is

woman are socialised to manage societies rituals. As a mum , even in my day (and fgs I’m 60 not an ancient old women , my mum was a 1960s feminist , and my youngest dc left university and became independent only 4 years ago), we would discuss Mother’s Day, we’d be doing nursery pick ups, school drop offs and it would come up in conversations. It was in womens magazines, it was in card and flower shops we’d visit, and nowadays it’s all over social media that heuristics ensure we see, MN that predominantly women go onto etc. Same as for Xmas, women on MN start posting about Xmas in august and September. It’s bloody hard to miss those types o& events if you’re a women

I have never heard the men in my life, including men at work, ever discuss Father’s Day other than saying they got a nice card or whatever AFTER the event. It is not generally something that comes up in men’s discussions, nor plans for Xmas in the minutiae that women’s social media go into (table decorations trends etc). Most men I’ve known, including at work, roll their eyes or are bemused when someone starts to try to book the office xmas do in august. These event planning are just not coming into their social awareness until the 11 th hour . Some of men egg each other on, and even see it as a badge of pride that they shouldn’t do stuff in advance - I once had a boss Bragg how he’d bought his wife’s xmas present on xmas eve by Amazon cos he relied on same day delivery🙄. Yep, they’re crap, but really, if you don’t know by now that it’s not on men’s radar until it’s imminent and blaring in front of them, you’re living under a bush

I don’t think some women understand how much conditioning we get to be emotional labourers, from our upbringing, our social media, our reading material, our interaction with children’s caregivers, and we are being constantly reminded of events as they come up. We get treated a lot harsher if we miss or forget events. Right now in society , men do not get that same social pressure or awareness - it’s not that they are stupid or I’ve low opinion of their intelligence, - they just don’t see it, hear it, or get the same level of negative social pressure for not making the effort as women do.

some men do get it- they stick it in their diaries or remeber it cost heirloom mothers would, and probably have in past, had a melt down when they’ve forgotten , My ex, would get kids to make something on Mother’s Day, but he’d show his appreciation of me all through the year (ok, he’s an ex but after 30 years of marriage and I’ve never had cause to criticise his efforts in this front ). But bloody hell, I didn’t expect him to know the unwritten rules about my expectations he’d not agreed to , nor did I expect to have a random day off , dictated by card companies and the church, while he ran around like a blue arsed fly while I did my “princess” for a day . I’d get a lie in and a cuppa, then game on as usual and that was lovely and fine by me- it’s a commercial , money making day and I’d rather have his support on the day and times I needed it

society will not change with positioning women as th primary movers and shakers of rituals until money making is removed. Why thechell do you think so many women allow themselves to b manipulate by social media, magazines, marketing, to have the perfect Xmas lunch,c the perfect table setting, the new hell of Xmas eve boxes. We’re socialised as people pleaser and everyone is making money out of that

And as women we should be 'socialising' our sons to be better partners all round shouldn't we?

If they fail as partners on Mother's Day or Christmas or Birthdays, isn't that down to us as mums (and their dads, as dads) as well as society as a whole? Because we start the rot don't we? We accept them lounging about or laugh because 'they're being boys' (whatever that means). Rather than handing them a duster/frying pan/loo brush and pointing them in the right direction from an early age.

Shouldn't we be teaching them how to 'do' those special days as young boys/young men? Because they may be important to their future partners and, if they're not, that's fine - her choice.

And shouldn't we be teaching them that cooking a meal, doing the ironing, changing the nappies is the job of the person who gets there first, you shouldn't need praising for it because it's part of being a healthy, useful adult and that watching your partner doing the lions share of the work isn't a 'manly' thing to do. Doing your share is whether you're born male or female.

And as mums we should be drumming it into our boys that there is a right and wrong way to behave. May be they need more pressure from us (as well as society as a whole) to think about these things.

roarfeckingroarr · 20/03/2023 12:53

There's a balance. "Mother's Day" these days is separate from religious Mothering Sunday, much like Christmas.

One day to recognise the work we do as mothers, where kids make a card, buy a small gift, maybe take mum out for lunch or cook (facilitated by fathers where kids are young) is a lovely idea.

Some of the threads yesterday were ridiculous. Women receiving a hoard of gifts - necklaces and cashmere not chocolates and flowers. Good for them but hardly necessary to show appreciation.

VioletaDelValle · 20/03/2023 12:54

how women get nudges form other sources re the managers of rituals and men don’t.
god knows for sure, I’ve pondered this for years. My own dc aren’t at all bad at remembering , but even they probably only got Mother’s Day on their radar cos their partner mentioned it first re their own mum . It’s such a ramndom day an£ changes each year.

Don't men ever got to shops, get emails?? It's really hard to miss these occasions now as we all get so many prompts these days.
Grown men also know that it changes dates every year, stop making excuses for them!!

elliejjtiny · 20/03/2023 12:56

Mothers day was always meant to be a small thing. A card, small token present and maybe a meal out. Then social media happened along with people posting photos of their gifts. Suddenly people aren't satisfied with a bunch of flowers and a card anymore because Laura who they went to school with 20 years ago posted on facebook about their spa day, meal in a posh restaurant and goodness knows what else. I do feel sorry for the people who don't get anything but it's not ok to moan when you get a card and a little present. I got that yesterday and I was really pleased.

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 12:56

Also, considering many men manage to hold down jobs, including high powered ones that they often get paid far more than women for, they can probably manage to put Mother’s Day into their calendar? I’m sure they don’t miss work meetings because they’ve not been continually reminded of them by women.

LondonJax · 20/03/2023 12:56

VioletaDelValle · 20/03/2023 12:54

how women get nudges form other sources re the managers of rituals and men don’t.
god knows for sure, I’ve pondered this for years. My own dc aren’t at all bad at remembering , but even they probably only got Mother’s Day on their radar cos their partner mentioned it first re their own mum . It’s such a ramndom day an£ changes each year.

Don't men ever got to shops, get emails?? It's really hard to miss these occasions now as we all get so many prompts these days.
Grown men also know that it changes dates every year, stop making excuses for them!!

Totally agree - and most men are clever enough to search on Google...

Topseyt123 · 20/03/2023 12:58

I'm Mum of three now grown up daughters.

I don't expect or even want anything mega on Mother's Day, although I do send my own mother a card and give her a phone call. A little acknowledgement is all that is needed.

This year DH and I are away on holiday in Europe. It wasn't really anything to do with Mother's Day, but it's great, and I suppose a happy coincidence. 🤣😃

shreddednips · 20/03/2023 13:00

Why shouldn't Mother's Day have an element of 'wife appreciation day' about it? I'm not my husband's mother, but he benefits an awful lot from me being a mother because I'm the mother of his child. Yes, he gets DS up and gives me a lie-in pretty regularly (and vice versa) so why wouldn't he on Mother's Day? We go out for meals reasonably regularly, so scheduling a meal out for Mother's Day seems a perfectly reasonable thing to want.

Similarly, DH is not my father, but I appreciate that he is a very good father to our DS and that I also benefit from that, so I put in a bit of effort on Father's Day.

I expect both of us will step back from the whole thing when DS is old enough to organise things on his own, but he currently isn't (and most of the posts on here from women who are disappointed by their husbands' efforts also have young kids.) I don't expect expensive presents or fancy meals out, I just expect enough effort for the day to pass more pleasantly than usual (not needing to cook, extra sleep, cups of tea made etc) and a card and some flowers. This is not rocket science and not particularly onerous to arrange.

You're right that it's wishful thinking to hope that a shit DH is going to transform into a thoughtful one on Mother's Day, and I expect for many women the lack of effort just underlines the overall lack of care for their feelings and wellbeing. But the expectation for men to pull their fingers out of their bums and arrange some simple things to mark the day and make it nice is not, in itself, unreasonable.

user1492757084 · 20/03/2023 13:01

My husband always helped the kids secure a card and make a smiley breakfast in bed. Some home made things from kids sometimes. We would visit our mothers with the children and give white flowers, a card and have a nice visit.
As the kids get older they sometimes do other things for me like taking me out for afternoon tea.
I don't expect my husband to dote all day. To show appreciation for my mothering, yes. To encourage the kids to do likewise, yes.

When I was young, my Dad helped us fix breakfast in bed and thanked Mum for being a great mother. He would always, quiet loudly, say that she was the reason we were beaut kids. We were proud of Mum all day and did the dishes and helped out. Mum liked us to pick a white daisy for her to put on her dress. There was nothing lavish expected.

Over riding the feeling that motherhood is a job worth remembering is the thankfulness than one has had the privilege of being a mother. Motherhood is the greatest gift. For me, commercializing does spoil the day.

Sunriseinwonderland · 20/03/2023 13:02

My DS's father and my first husband would soon have flown to the moon in a paper boat than remembered Mother's day, my birthday, DS's birthday, Christmas or any other event yet he would have a major melt down if he didn't have an amazing birthday.
He was a selfish twat and didn't last long.

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 20/03/2023 13:02

Well yesterday my dd (10) made my breakfast and coffee in bed. DH still in bed lol. She made me a card and he took her to buy me a gift day before. I got taken for lunch and he cleaned the bathroom which is normally my job. I still did my own bedding and some tidying up. He went to the tip and I helped him sort out what needed to go.

Jennifer89 · 20/03/2023 13:13

Why can't a grown man write a card on behalf of small children?