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Mother’s Day- are we setting unrealistic expectations

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Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 10:17

Just read yet another thread where women have been upset by husbands “ruining” Mother’s Day for posters. So much disappointment, dissatisfaction and hurt being discussed

when I was young Mother’s Day was not the commercialised as it is now. I don’t remember any fathers doing stuff for his wife as his children’s mother. Usually it was schools and Sunday schools, particularly, that got kids to make a mothers day card, or encouraged kids to pick some flowers (ok, we had less regard for picking wild flowers back then🤦‍♀️) . That was it. Only involved kids that were old enough to do something for their mums under a steer from school or church. The main things for mums was Mothering Sunday church service - that wasn’t driven by dads , but by tradition and the church. In some churches mums got a small bunch of daffs to recognise their efforts whether they were new mums, Grans or whatever

up until relatively recently most dads would play little or no part until Sunday service. And certainly not be buying gifts or doing cards on behalf of babies who can’t hold a pencil yet. Mums didn’t get a day off. Often there was a bigger family roast on Sunday - I do remember though an expectation that the blokes would do the washing up to give mum a rest. But it certainly never was a “special all day” for mums to relax and not do anything with dads doing everything and all.

yes, there would have been exceptions . Some dads would have given mum a cuppa in bed etc. but that wasn’t the norm .

we all know the vast majority of men do not do the emotional labour regarding social celebrations and family rituals. A lot used to be part of a social calander through churches who upheld these traditions. But church no longer plays that role in most of our lives. I’m quite convinced that left to men we’d have abandoned birthday celebrations and Xmas years ago, when most people stopped going to church.

why are so many women setting themselves up for a fall here. Yep, there are men who will recognise and do lovely things for the “mums” in their lives including their own wives, but a lot of men are just doing the minimum or nothing in accordance with what they do for all the other traditions in the house. If you remember all the birthdays, do most of Xmas , why would you then be disappointed your husband does sod all for Mother’s Day for you.

im not saying it’s right. But I think there’s a lot of heart ache here from having very unreal expectations of Mother’s Day. It was a church service . It was a way of getting bums on seats in a church and therefore money in donation coffers (ok, bit cynical but true) .

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Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 13:20

shreddednips · 20/03/2023 13:00

Why shouldn't Mother's Day have an element of 'wife appreciation day' about it? I'm not my husband's mother, but he benefits an awful lot from me being a mother because I'm the mother of his child. Yes, he gets DS up and gives me a lie-in pretty regularly (and vice versa) so why wouldn't he on Mother's Day? We go out for meals reasonably regularly, so scheduling a meal out for Mother's Day seems a perfectly reasonable thing to want.

Similarly, DH is not my father, but I appreciate that he is a very good father to our DS and that I also benefit from that, so I put in a bit of effort on Father's Day.

I expect both of us will step back from the whole thing when DS is old enough to organise things on his own, but he currently isn't (and most of the posts on here from women who are disappointed by their husbands' efforts also have young kids.) I don't expect expensive presents or fancy meals out, I just expect enough effort for the day to pass more pleasantly than usual (not needing to cook, extra sleep, cups of tea made etc) and a card and some flowers. This is not rocket science and not particularly onerous to arrange.

You're right that it's wishful thinking to hope that a shit DH is going to transform into a thoughtful one on Mother's Day, and I expect for many women the lack of effort just underlines the overall lack of care for their feelings and wellbeing. But the expectation for men to pull their fingers out of their bums and arrange some simple things to mark the day and make it nice is not, in itself, unreasonable.

I’m not saying it can’t. But that’s not what it’s called, and therefore if you are going to change the meaning you need the buy in from the spouse or you are going to get a very big disappointment,

andnas I said earlier in the chat. There’s probably a reason why hallmark hasn’t invented a wife/husband appreciation day (if they thought it would sell cards they sure would), because most people expect husband and wives to show appreciation 365 days of the year in small ways , continuously

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shreddednips · 20/03/2023 13:26

I disagree. It should be absolutely crashingly obvious to anyone of either sex that on Mother's/Father's day, showing a bit of consideration to the person who is the mother or father of your own DCs is probably a good idea! If the answer is that men aren't socialised to join these dots- time to start socialising them!

shreddednips · 20/03/2023 13:28

And if the appreciation should be continuous- great. So showing appreciation on Mother's Day should be extra easy.

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midnightblue12 · 20/03/2023 13:28

I think social media sets ridiculous expectations and when they aren't met it makes people feel under valued or diss appointed.
The balloon arches, the stands with sayings in them.... bla bla bla.
The constant cycles of comparing our lives and letting that effect our self worth.

I absolutely adore Christmas card but as I've got older and had children I've found it quite overwhelming because I just feel like I've never done enough!

It's such a shame.

qpmz · 20/03/2023 13:30

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2023 10:30

Well the old way sounds rather shit tbh

Men not having to lift a finger and women still expected to do everything

Expecting a card, some breakfast and maybe some flowers is not 'unreal expectations' and women are totally justified being hacked off with men who can't handle this simple request.

You can't cook and clean every day and then complain about it. Then it's all ok again after a massive Mother's Day gift.

Just split the housework. What will he do when he runs out of pants? Will he really let the kids come home to no dinner?

nuttynet · 20/03/2023 13:31

Im mid 40s and remember my dad would buy mum (some old tat) a gift for us to wrap up

We loved it! We felt so generous to our mum

You do it for the kids more than mum

60smusic · 20/03/2023 13:32

It's a vicious cycle. You have people complaining that they got no card, gift, lie in, cup of tea etc

Then you read posts from people saying not to entertain 'hallmark days' it's all bullshit and they are raising their kids to think like this and to not 'buy' into these days or do anything to mark it.

So if people are raising their kids to not 'buy' into these days, they turn into adults who don't mark these days, resulting in women/partners with young babies and children and 1st time mother's getting nothing as their partner was raised not to mark the day and they're told 'you're not his mother'. 'he doesn't have to do anything for you'.

When we have our babies we want to celebrate being a mother, and if the kids are too young to do something then the partner needs to step up and do something no matter how small. This is why it's important to raise our children to show appreciation and if that means buying a gift, hoovering the house, washing the car, whatever, they will grow into adults who pass on their appreciation to their partners.

nuttynet · 20/03/2023 13:33

I do cringe at the social media posts of peoplel's gifts/flowers but then the thinking of all people who would love to be a mum but cant. People who lost their mums blah blah

Just empty words, following a trend

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 13:34

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 13:20

I’m not saying it can’t. But that’s not what it’s called, and therefore if you are going to change the meaning you need the buy in from the spouse or you are going to get a very big disappointment,

andnas I said earlier in the chat. There’s probably a reason why hallmark hasn’t invented a wife/husband appreciation day (if they thought it would sell cards they sure would), because most people expect husband and wives to show appreciation 365 days of the year in small ways , continuously

Really is it such a massive leap to expect that if your child is too young or otherwise unable to buy a card or gift themselves, that you do it for them, or help them? Does that really need ‘buy in’? As I said, my dad helped me to do it 35 ish years ago, DH’s dad did the same 40 years ago. It really isn’t a new concept, or a radically ‘out there’ one.
One of my children is disabled and is unlikely to ever be able to go and buy me a present himself. I didn’t have to sit DH down and get his ‘buy in’ for him to go and buy a card from my disabled child. He managed to figure out that it would be a nice thing to do all by himself.

Puppers · 20/03/2023 13:40

I can't say I actually ever see all these threads where women are apparently fuming not to have been treated like queens all weekend. I do see threads from women who are upset that their husbands haven't even helped their young kids to buy/make a card and get a little bunch of daffs or make a cup of tea. In those cases, it's clear that the woman is feeling put upon, unappreciated and unloved in general (by her husband, possibly also by older kids) and Mother's Day just amplifies the issue.

I think Mother's Day has evolved, as almost everything does, and does now tend to be an opportunity for dads to show their appreciation to their wife/partner for all she does as a mother and to help younger children to mark the day, as well as continuing to be something that older children mark themselves. The same is true of Father's Day. That's absolutely not the same as them becoming a general "partner appreciation day".

Riapia · 20/03/2023 13:45

Every Mother’s Day should be more lavish than the one before.
Certainly better than SIL’s
MN rule 7a.
😁😁

bakewellbride · 20/03/2023 14:01

Yabu I had a bloody brilliant Mother's Day all thanks to my dh and I couldn't care less what anyone thinks! It was not commercialised bullshit and I'm not on any social media. I got flowers, chocolate, a lie in / time to laze about and breakfast in bed. My 4 year old made me a sweet card at school and chose me a little teddy from the school gift shop.

Dh works long hard hours in the nhs (today his shift will finish at 2am) and I raise our 2 kids with absolutely zero family support nearby. I do a vast amount completely single-handedly. I deserved every second of what I got and the old way sounds miserable. Me and my family aren't harming anyone.

Shopaholic123Go · 20/03/2023 14:01

stbrandonsboat · 20/03/2023 10:45

Men don't seem to be investing much social or emotional effort in their relationships if some threads on here are anything to go by. They seem to just exist in a series of relationships that they remain in until the woman can't tolerate things anymore then they're off to the next one. Look at how many men leave their partners after a baby comes on the scene. They can't even cope with that.

You're right. Conversation I've had with men includes

"Do you have anything cheaper? I don't love her that much! She just keeps going on about getting engaged" - customer in jewellery shop looking at engagement rings

"My girlfriend is really pissing me off, she keeps wanting my attention and I just can't be bothered."
"Why are you going out tonight then? You sound like you're thinking of breaking up?"
"Listen, like all my friends, I'm only in a relationship because that's what women want. If there was a way to get regular sex without paying for it, no men would be in relationships. We're going out because it's Friday night, that's what couples do and if I don't see her, it's not worth the agro." - whinging work colleague

"I heard your girlfriend is pregnant, congratulations! I know you've been trying for a while. Will we maybe be hearing wedding bells next?"
"No way! I don't want that much committment" - live-in boyfriend of a neighbour

How many men think like this but don't voice it? I suspect it's more than we'd like to believe.

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 15:44

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 13:34

Really is it such a massive leap to expect that if your child is too young or otherwise unable to buy a card or gift themselves, that you do it for them, or help them? Does that really need ‘buy in’? As I said, my dad helped me to do it 35 ish years ago, DH’s dad did the same 40 years ago. It really isn’t a new concept, or a radically ‘out there’ one.
One of my children is disabled and is unlikely to ever be able to go and buy me a present himself. I didn’t have to sit DH down and get his ‘buy in’ for him to go and buy a card from my disabled child. He managed to figure out that it would be a nice thing to do all by himself.

🫤I think you’re missing my point entirely and that’s not what I’m saying.

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SquidwardBound · 20/03/2023 15:48

Ah the old misogynist classic: if you’re disappointed in your husband’s lack of care, effort or attention, you’re the problem. Adjust your expectations women and stop being so unreasonable! 🙄

DanceMonster · 20/03/2023 15:49

Whiteroomjoy · 20/03/2023 15:44

🫤I think you’re missing my point entirely and that’s not what I’m saying.

I don’t think I am, but ok.

Ibizamumof4 · 20/03/2023 22:24

i am glad times have moved on from then , however a bit like everything it’s become a huge deal and is something people need now feel they need to spend loads on and then take pictures of to put on social media, which then makes other people feel a bit rubbish. Do whatever you can afford / want to do but to me it just involves a simple gesture and recognition of your appreciation of your mum

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