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Lodgeornot · 17/03/2023 06:18
@deltapips I'm with GMB who have just said 'band 2 get 10.4%' they've not discriminated on points within banding like RCN. Hopefully RCN are the accurate ones.
@Orangebadger they put it as 'desirable' in the job description but then never employ anyone without one.
I haven't seen a single NHS England staff member say they'll accept yet. I hope that's a good sign that we'll reject and go back to the table.
UseOfWeapons · 17/03/2023 07:10
No thanks, we are struggling to recruit, and that’s not going to change with an offer like that. Because of the lack of nurses and huge patient numbers, I am redeployed from my specialist role at least once a week to help out in other areas, which means my cancer patients have to wait. I want to give excellence in care, and I’m not dropping my standards, but it’s costing me, when it should be costing the government.
pissssedofff · 17/03/2023 07:23
Ladybug14 · 16/03/2023 18:53
It seems to me that the Government is doing very nicely thank you
Asked for - 19%
Settled for - 5%
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My mum always used to say that the Conservatives are sooooo much smarter (sly) than Labour and any Union boss.
The way the Unions rolled over, proves this, have to wonder if any of them have accepted any personal "offers" themselves.
A one off bonus and rises at half the rate of inflation are effective pay cuts.
It's an insult.
KeHuyWinner · 17/03/2023 08:53
I have no idea what happened. Pat Cullen of the RCN seemed determined to get at least some level of pay restoration. The 19% demand was never going to happen but she and the other unions said meet us halfway at 10% then came out with 5% and a one off bribe.
And the unions apart from Unite are saying take it, it's the best you're gonna get. Unison's email to their members was threatening and said if you reject this, the government will make sure you're even worse off (paraphrased but that was the jist).
IncredibleSulk · 17/03/2023 09:14
Does anyone know how the back pay for accepted rises and/or one off payments is calculated? Is it a percentage of your salary base ie band 5 standard salary pro rata (so everyone at that point gets the same regardless of enhancements) or is it based on your actual earnings ie enhancements mat pay etc taken in to account?
KeHuyWinner · 17/03/2023 09:45
IncredibleSulk · 17/03/2023 09:14
Does anyone know how the back pay for accepted rises and/or one off payments is calculated? Is it a percentage of your salary base ie band 5 standard salary pro rata (so everyone at that point gets the same regardless of enhancements) or is it based on your actual earnings ie enhancements mat pay etc taken in to account?
Seems to be pro-rata based on banding.
Babyroobs · 17/03/2023 10:03
BabbleBee · 16/03/2023 18:14
So are New Zealand!
sighsloudly · 16/03/2023 18:11
I hear Australia are recruiting........
I worked as a Nurse in NZ for four years in the late nineties. lovely country and people but pay was probably worse and no help for us benefits wise with young kids. I didn't even get paid mat leave. I went back to work when ds1 was four months old. I guess things may have changed since then.
shelbaba · 17/03/2023 10:30
It's not great really, I think even they know that. I saw a spokesperson in news and she said something like it's a reasonable offer, even she didn't sound convinced!
However I'd snap the hand off u for it, I work in the civil service and we got ZERO pay rise!
LookingOldTheseDays · 17/03/2023 10:47
shelbaba · 17/03/2023 10:30
It's not great really, I think even they know that. I saw a spokesperson in news and she said something like it's a reasonable offer, even she didn't sound convinced!
However I'd snap the hand off u for it, I work in the civil service and we got ZERO pay rise!
Civil service have been shafted even worse (in pay terms) than the NHS has over the last decade. The government know they can get away with it because civil servants don't have the level of public support that nurses do (unfairly so, but it is what it is).
Also, this government has been doing all it can to discredit and undermine the civil service. E.g. The recent remark about "civil service activists" stopping the government from doing things that are literally illegal. This government doesn't want checks and balances or advice on how to stay within the law - it just wants to asset strip as fast as it can.
KeHuyWinner · 17/03/2023 11:00
InsuranceQn · 17/03/2023 10:15
Yes I’d like to know this too - what about someone who left the NHS at Christmas?
Sunshineandrainbow · 16/03/2023 18:23
Does anyone know how the back dated lump sum will work?
If I was to leave NHS in next 2 Months would I still get it?
It's for current nurses and will be calculated in monthly pay I'd guess.
I can't state that's factual but can't see how the NHS will seek out past employees to give them cash. No idea how that would even be practically possible.
KeHuyWinner · 17/03/2023 11:03
LookingOldTheseDays · 17/03/2023 10:44
The one-off bribe isn't worth much - they're hoping it'll sweeten the deal, but a small amount that you get in one year only isn't going to make any difference to nurse pay in the long term.
Bur it's a bribe that will be tempting for a lot of people. And with the implied threats from unions of 'accept it or be worse off', a lot of people will be frightened into accepting it.
Accept peanuts or risk being even worse off.
secretmumoffour · 17/03/2023 11:22
I honestly think the offer will be rejected. I watched an interview with Sara, unison lead, it sounded to me like the government had forced them to say they would recommend it to their members as part of them offering what they did. It doesn't mean the members will accept it.
I also think this will lead to an exodus of nurses from the NHS. Western Australia are already actively recruiting.... personally Australia is too far for me but as an Irish citizen I may consider somewhere closer to home. This entire country is a sham and this just tops it off
GPTec1 · 17/03/2023 11:23
And the unions apart from Unite are saying take it, it's the best you're gonna get. Unison's email to their members was threatening and said if you reject this, the government will make sure you're even worse off (paraphrased but that was the jist)
Meaningless threat.
Commonly used against a cowed workforce in the private sector, had it happen to me when Siemens took over GEC Plessey Telecoms BUT the NHS workforce isn't in a weak position and should tell their unions and the Govt to re negotiate.
Because not only is it a tardy offer, it also will do nothing for retention and recruitment.
Anyone know if it is a simple majority to reject or some other convoluted vote?
InsuranceQn · 17/03/2023 11:24
KeHuyWinner · 17/03/2023 11:00
It's for current nurses and will be calculated in monthly pay I'd guess.
I can't state that's factual but can't see how the NHS will seek out past employees to give them cash. No idea how that would even be practically possible.
InsuranceQn · 17/03/2023 10:15
Yes I’d like to know this too - what about someone who left the NHS at Christmas?
Sunshineandrainbow · 16/03/2023 18:23
Does anyone know how the back dated lump sum will work?
If I was to leave NHS in next 2 Months would I still get it?
Not necessarily - I had a friend who left in summer and they were sent an additional payment when we got that extra amount in September (or was it October?). It's additional payment owed for those who worked in the 22-23 tax year at the end of the day.
Pythonhyphen · 17/03/2023 11:26
Sunbird24 · 16/03/2023 19:00
It’s not, the military are getting 3.75%
secretmumoffour · 16/03/2023 18:03
It's the lowest in the UK not to mention firefighters were given 12%. Government are having a laugh! I'll be voting to reject
They can't strike though so government doesn't have to bother offering anything decent (not right I know but sadly seems to be the case).
Healthcare roles should be separated out i imo hope they do see this through.
StressedToTheMaxxx · 17/03/2023 11:43
It's an absolute kick in the teeth for nurses and AHP's. Why are these roles not paid at the same level of other degree educated public sector professionals ie social workers, teachers etc?
The RCN are a spineless bunch and I'd urge members to en masse withdraw their memberships, hit them where it hurts.
littlemousebigcheese · 17/03/2023 11:47
so many people saying oh well it's more than my increase and that's exactly what's wrong with this country. We are all too individualistic and it's like a miserable race to the bottom here. Rather than criticising others and playing miserable bastard bingo, we should want better for everyone
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