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Australian state plans to poach 31,000 British doctors, nurses, police officers, teachers and other skilled workers

99 replies

IsThisAccurate · 13/03/2023 09:41

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/australian-state-plans-to-poach-31000-british-doctors-police-officers-and-teachers/ar-AA17yvLt

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MyriadOfTravels · 13/03/2023 12:49

Well the U.K. has done that for years and years (even before 2000) with i dia, South Africa etc…. Poaching their nurses and doctors because we couldn’t be arsed to train our own doctors (and it’s cheaper if course).

No one thought it was a disgrace then.

So I’d say only fair enough for Australia to do that.

If we want them to stay, maybe we could start by laying them more, treat them better instead of forcing them to go on strike and to use food banks instead.

Brefugee · 13/03/2023 12:51

as ane fule kno (well, any fool who has done at least 5 minutes of economics) the price of something in short supply goes up. That is valid for goods and services.

If Doctors. nurses and other skilled workers are in short supply: they are more expensive. We can either pay them more (or offer other inducements such as shorter hours, less paperwork, whatever) or we can watch as they vote with their feet. Or do you propose not letting them leave the country?

Didiplanthis · 13/03/2023 12:51

I've had friends leaving to work as drs in Australia for years, the difference is now, that it is a career plan not an opportunity that came up that they took. I cant emigrate due to age/family/health but I've just left the NHS anyway. I would rather work in a lower stress much lower paid job than work as a GP or indeed in health care any more. The worse the system gets, the angrier people get (understandably) but the people trying to provide good care in a shit system are getting all the abuse... again, I understand.. who else can you express your frustration to .. but one particularly vitriolic and completely ill informed rant, in the midst of an undoable workload finalised my decision. Its a perfect storm of a system in free fall around you, making it genuinely impossible to do the job you are highly trained to do, and having no control or way of improving things..with wages which are decent but falling relatively year on year when the demand expectation rises year on year. Why the hell would anyone who could, NOT leave to go elsewhere ?? If I was 15 years younger it would be a no brainer....

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/03/2023 13:06

Brefugee · 13/03/2023 12:51

as ane fule kno (well, any fool who has done at least 5 minutes of economics) the price of something in short supply goes up. That is valid for goods and services.

If Doctors. nurses and other skilled workers are in short supply: they are more expensive. We can either pay them more (or offer other inducements such as shorter hours, less paperwork, whatever) or we can watch as they vote with their feet. Or do you propose not letting them leave the country?

Tory Health Minister Therese Coffey actually told our nurses to leave if they didn't like pay and conditions here.

The Tories don't give a shit about the NHS or the health of the UK.

MangoPineapple11 · 13/03/2023 13:10

I moved to WA almost 5 years ago - have never regretted it for a minute.

Highly recommend.

I always jump on these threads because aus can often get a bashing (especially Perth) but it's usually from people who have never been. Cost of living can be slightly higher BUT we can life very comfortably and SAVE. Same as all our friends here. I don't really know anyone that works hard and struggles. If you want to work hard you are rewarded and that's the difference for us.

MangoPineapple11 · 13/03/2023 13:11

Live very comfortably * opps

IClaudine · 13/03/2023 13:17

Snoken · 13/03/2023 10:38

i don't blame those who choose to leave. It seems the UK is really going downhill very, very fast. I was reading an article in my local newspaper in Sweden today about a village called Jaywick and about their problems with cost of living, brexit, poverty, food banks, drugs etc. An old man who only had state pension had to pawn his TV for £15 so he could afford to heat his room for a couple of days. The article is in Swedish but just looking at the pictures you can see that if this is what is being reported about the UK elsewhere they will soon have even bigger problems finding people who are willing to relocate to fill the vacant posts: www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/a/Ll9PKV/fattiga-byn-i-england-rostade-for-brexit-peter-kadhammar-pa-plats

@Snoken Jaywick is well known to be one of the most deprived area in England. It is shocking that it has sunk so low, but to be fair it is not representative of the the rest of the UK. Well not yet, anyway.

CorrigansDoorKnob · 13/03/2023 13:28

I live in Perth and I bloody love it. I'm so glad we moved, no way I could cope working as a GP in the UK at the moment.

the80sweregreat · 13/03/2023 13:31

As much as I'm the first to blame a lot of the countries woes on the current government, there is help available for those on lower incomes. The man pawning his tv in jaywick is sad, but maybe he isn't aware of the extra pension credits he could claim for ? If people are not being made aware then they will struggle . There are ads everywhere just now . Sounds as if he could have done with some help or guidance. Many people don't have relatives or friends to help them out and I know it's not as easy as this to claim for or understand sometimes as well.
Sorry to derail the thread.
I know of many people who emigrated and stayed there or came back again ( over the years ) this isn't anything new really , but it's still sad to hear about when it's the young who feel it's the only way to get on and have a better standard of living. Not that I blame them at all

JamSandle · 13/03/2023 13:33

The UK does the same with EU workers. Every country that can does it. And why shouldn't people go where the opportunities are?

Saltywalruss · 13/03/2023 13:39

Snoken · 13/03/2023 10:38

i don't blame those who choose to leave. It seems the UK is really going downhill very, very fast. I was reading an article in my local newspaper in Sweden today about a village called Jaywick and about their problems with cost of living, brexit, poverty, food banks, drugs etc. An old man who only had state pension had to pawn his TV for £15 so he could afford to heat his room for a couple of days. The article is in Swedish but just looking at the pictures you can see that if this is what is being reported about the UK elsewhere they will soon have even bigger problems finding people who are willing to relocate to fill the vacant posts: www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kolumnister/a/Ll9PKV/fattiga-byn-i-england-rostade-for-brexit-peter-kadhammar-pa-plats

Jaywick is the most deprived area in the Uk

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 13/03/2023 13:42

We’d be there in a shot if DH didn’t have a medical condition that means they won’t let us in 😭.

Snoken · 13/03/2023 13:43

IClaudine · 13/03/2023 13:17

@Snoken Jaywick is well known to be one of the most deprived area in England. It is shocking that it has sunk so low, but to be fair it is not representative of the the rest of the UK. Well not yet, anyway.

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It really isn't representative. I used to live in the UK and lived in and saw some beautiful places. I think what I was clumsily getting at was that the picture of the UK presented to us outside of the country at the moment is either about empty supermarket shelves or poverty brought on by the cost of living crisis/brexit. There is really nothing positive about the UK in the press here so these types of articles is what colours peoples view of the UK at the moment, and that combined with brexit means that skilled people would not choose to relocate to the UK to work in the NHS or elsewhere. If skilled people will leave the UK for Aus/NZ they will have issues recruiting from elsewhere to fill those roles.

Meandfour · 13/03/2023 13:44

Saltywalruss · 13/03/2023 13:39

Jaywick is the most deprived area in the Uk

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Yeah @Snoken I wouldn’t say Jaywick is in any way reflective of the UK as a whole.

Snoken · 13/03/2023 13:45

Meandfour · 13/03/2023 13:44

Yeah @Snoken I wouldn’t say Jaywick is in any way reflective of the UK as a whole.

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No it's not. We probably cross posted, but I just explained a little better (I hope) what I meant by my post.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 13:46

Snoken · 13/03/2023 13:43

It really isn't representative. I used to live in the UK and lived in and saw some beautiful places. I think what I was clumsily getting at was that the picture of the UK presented to us outside of the country at the moment is either about empty supermarket shelves or poverty brought on by the cost of living crisis/brexit. There is really nothing positive about the UK in the press here so these types of articles is what colours peoples view of the UK at the moment, and that combined with brexit means that skilled people would not choose to relocate to the UK to work in the NHS or elsewhere. If skilled people will leave the UK for Aus/NZ they will have issues recruiting from elsewhere to fill those roles.

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I don’t know if that is reflected in skilled work visas though which are up.

Cherryana · 13/03/2023 13:55

How do I get poached?

cosmiccosmos · 13/03/2023 13:57

People with skills have options and will move for a better lifestyle. It's not just about their lifestyle it's a general feeling of hope for the country.

Countries like Aus and NZ will only take skilled and healthy people. You have to have police and medical checks to get into NZ. So the UK loses skilled people and at the same time has to import other skilled people to fill these roles and has been/is allowing unskilled or low skilled individuals to come in. These low/un skilled people are not and probably never will be met contributors. I just don't understand the argument that we need these people to boost the economy ie their skills and spending power.

IMO the uk is currently the worst it's ever been and I can't see anything getting better anytime soon. If they continue with the current trend of losing skilled people and importing low/in skilled and their families in then it's going to get much worse before it gets better. Who is going to be paying all the tax to support this?

Good luck to people emigrating, life's too short. Seize the opportunity, if it doesn't work out you simply come back.

pointythings · 13/03/2023 14:02

@Cherryana fill your bath with water and then put a gas flame under it, add some nice herbs and possibly some white wine, get in and simmer.

Alexandra2001 · 13/03/2023 14:13

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/03/2023 11:20

The Tories wrecked the UK. Brain drain is a consequence of that.

People have been leaving for NZ and Aus for decades BUT previously we could attract 1st world HCP's back here.... now thats harder, why would you want to become a UK citizen but then not have family FOM/Erasmus/etc with the EU?

Remember the overseas nurses that looked after Bojo, left the UK not long after, stating stress.

The tragedy is that its UK tax payers providing the facilities for professional people to train/get experience and often thats far more than the tuition fees but other countries getting the benefit.

As more leave, so more will line up behind them.

Or as one consultant put it "if you don't keep the junior doctors, then we wont get the consultants for tomorrow's NHS"

Like everything in this country... short term rules :(

user1492757084 · 13/03/2023 14:13

Poaching is not an accurate way to describe Western Australia offering opportunities in the form of employment packages.
Australia is a long way and it does have higher average wages in some cases. People will make up their own minds about leaving family and friends and their English countryside to persue a career. Many Australians love working in the UK; it goes both ways.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 14:18

cosmiccosmos · 13/03/2023 13:57

People with skills have options and will move for a better lifestyle. It's not just about their lifestyle it's a general feeling of hope for the country.

Countries like Aus and NZ will only take skilled and healthy people. You have to have police and medical checks to get into NZ. So the UK loses skilled people and at the same time has to import other skilled people to fill these roles and has been/is allowing unskilled or low skilled individuals to come in. These low/un skilled people are not and probably never will be met contributors. I just don't understand the argument that we need these people to boost the economy ie their skills and spending power.

IMO the uk is currently the worst it's ever been and I can't see anything getting better anytime soon. If they continue with the current trend of losing skilled people and importing low/in skilled and their families in then it's going to get much worse before it gets better. Who is going to be paying all the tax to support this?

Good luck to people emigrating, life's too short. Seize the opportunity, if it doesn't work out you simply come back.

Why do you think we’re taking more low skilled?

It’s not reflected in the numbers. High skilled visas has had biggest increase.

Snoken · 13/03/2023 14:24

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 14:18

Why do you think we’re taking more low skilled?

It’s not reflected in the numbers. High skilled visas has had biggest increase.

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I wonder if that will decrease though in the years to come. UK's unattractiveness for skilled professionals from abroad is fairly new thing after all. It will also be tougher and tougher for those who do come to the UK for work as they will suffer all the problems that comes with underfunded and understaffed workplaces and will have to pick up pieces rather than just get on with working.

Alexandra2001 · 13/03/2023 14:25

user1492757084 · 13/03/2023 14:13

Poaching is not an accurate way to describe Western Australia offering opportunities in the form of employment packages.
Australia is a long way and it does have higher average wages in some cases. People will make up their own minds about leaving family and friends and their English countryside to persue a career. Many Australians love working in the UK; it goes both ways.

Proportionately far more UK citizens are working in Aus than the other way round.

1.2m vs 120k (Feb 2021)

Even allowing for 2/3rds smaller population... its a large difference.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2023 14:27

Snoken · 13/03/2023 14:24

I wonder if that will decrease though in the years to come. UK's unattractiveness for skilled professionals from abroad is fairly new thing after all. It will also be tougher and tougher for those who do come to the UK for work as they will suffer all the problems that comes with underfunded and understaffed workplaces and will have to pick up pieces rather than just get on with working.

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Idk but skilled work visas have gone up by 33% since 2019

I get the negative press thing, we have similar sometimes so we hear about issues in Sweden at times