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What is going on at the BBC right now?

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LookItsMeAgain · 10/03/2023 17:42

What with the news breaking today ( 10/03/23) that Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day and now Ian Wright is also not going to appear on the show in solidarity. They also have said that they will not air a David Attenborough (what the hell did he do/say that pushed their buttons) episode due to fears of a right-wing backlash. On top of that, Fiona Bruce has said that Stanley Johnson 'only' broke his wife's nose once (I mean just how many times is too many, I ask ye).

What the hell is going on at the BBC right now????

Sources:
David Attenborough being cancelled
Gary Lineker stepping back from MotD
Ian Wright standing by Gary
Fiona Bruce story

Just wondering if anyone can make sense of what is going on in the BBC at the moment.

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MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:07

An efficient well run fast asylum application process is a deterrent in itself.

How so?

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:08

I'm not the only one doubting the likelihood of it ever happening -

"Rishi Sunak staked his premiership on stopping small boats

But members of his govt, Home Office officials and Tory MPs on the right and centre fear the policy is unworkable, and warn the political strategy could backfire

Officials worried about practicalities:

— unclear how deportation flights of a few hundred per week will clear a 45,000 backlog

— legal challenges likely to cause delays

— Lords will shred it

— delay to deterrent means crossings could continue…"

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1634476849181999107?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

carriedout · 11/03/2023 15:08

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:07

An efficient well run fast asylum application process is a deterrent in itself.

How so?

Because you get sent back promptly, obviously.

Detention costs a fortune.

The policy proposed by Braverman is going to cost a fortune.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:11

carriedout · 11/03/2023 15:08

Because you get sent back promptly, obviously.

Detention costs a fortune.

The policy proposed by Braverman is going to cost a fortune.

We approve most claims

So what do you mean by well run? We approve fewer claims?

If it’s an easier process and someone doesn’t have to wait a year to get a yes or no I’d say that lowers barriers to trying rather than increasing them

If it’s fast and easy will you see more apply or fewer?

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:12

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:07

An efficient well run fast asylum application process is a deterrent in itself.

How so?

Because at the moment they know they've got 2 years until their application is processed. Bit less attractive if they know their application will be dealt with quickly.

It's the same argument the government is putting forward but without contravening international legislation (the same legislation we developed).

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:13

So this new bill you are such fans of - how much will it cost and when will it happen?

Seventytwosunsetstrip · 11/03/2023 15:13

@MarshaBradyo But if they say they’ll solve it with safe routes, it’s unlikely.

No, not unlikely, impossible.

At the present moment there are 27 armed conflicts taking place globally including Lebanon, Yemen, Ethiopia, Myanmar and South Sudan.

Are these Labour luvvies seriously wanting UK to provide 'safe route' for all those who they feel are needing asylum from these countries, really ?

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:13

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:12

Because at the moment they know they've got 2 years until their application is processed. Bit less attractive if they know their application will be dealt with quickly.

It's the same argument the government is putting forward but without contravening international legislation (the same legislation we developed).

Because at the moment they know they've got 2 years until their application is processed. Bit less attractive if they know their application will be dealt with quickly.

Two years waiting is not an attractive prospect. Most are approved btw

Waiting 6 weeks is much more desirable.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:14

Seventytwosunsetstrip · 11/03/2023 15:13

@MarshaBradyo But if they say they’ll solve it with safe routes, it’s unlikely.

No, not unlikely, impossible.

At the present moment there are 27 armed conflicts taking place globally including Lebanon, Yemen, Ethiopia, Myanmar and South Sudan.

Are these Labour luvvies seriously wanting UK to provide 'safe route' for all those who they feel are needing asylum from these countries, really ?

Yes impossible.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/03/2023 15:15

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:11

We approve most claims

So what do you mean by well run? We approve fewer claims?

If it’s an easier process and someone doesn’t have to wait a year to get a yes or no I’d say that lowers barriers to trying rather than increasing them

If it’s fast and easy will you see more apply or fewer?

We approve most claims because they are genuine asylum applications. Do you consider efficiency a problem @MarshaBradyo?

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:17

I’m not the one saying efficiency will deter people.

The opposite.

It’s a strange claim that it will put people off applying.

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:25

Ok, an efficient well run asylum system and safe routes isnt the answer.

Instead we build detention centres, lock people up and then fly out every asylum applicant without ever assessing their application.

But you can't say how much it will cost or whether it will ever happen?

Seventytwosunsetstrip · 11/03/2023 15:30

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 13:46

"Do you have a limit on how many are a yes or if criteria is met is it unlimited?"

I dont consider myself furnished with enough information to set caps and limits. I'm sure there are clever people at the Home Office that will be able to make those calculations and work within our national and international obligations.

However I'd assume this man is in the know

"Former refugees minister Tory peer Lord Harrington tells me:

  • for Govt to take "moral high ground" legal asylum routes must exist
  • Braverman's words "not language I'd have chosen".
  • "Quite realistic" to say we can absorb 40k refugees a year."

As I understand it Lord Harrington resigned from his post as Minister for the Ukranian refugee programme in Autumn 2022.

He is quoted as saying “Never again will we have people arrive in the UK and go into hotels without a plan as happened with those coming from Afghanistan and from the Ukraine where at the beginning, we didn’t have any idea where to put them all.”

Hmmm "In the know?" Really.

To date this year 2,500 have come across the channel - and these are those that are known about. The projected figure for arrivals is 60-85,000

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/03/2023 15:30

Efficiency will reduce the cost to the taxpayer, result in fewer Asylum hotels and increase the amount of tax being paid.

Instead the government are going down an expensive, damaging route that is no solution to our current problems or any problems. But hey, that's Tories for you.

Moonicorn · 11/03/2023 15:34

The only way to slow down/stop more and more asylum seekers is to stop the boats. That’s it 🤷🏼‍♀️ that’s their only method of reaching here at the moment. That, and a publicity drive to say the U.K. isn’t the land of milk and honey that they think it is, so hopefully they won’t try.

We can then set up collection points for the women and children around Turkey, and take our fair share of safe and truly vulnerable refugees.

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:38

Delivering on the promises will be hard. One cabinet minister said few in government believe the legislation will help Sunak keep his pledge to end Channel crossings. They suggested the true aim of the bill was tactical: to exploit a political divide, allowing the Tories to paint Labour as soft on border controls.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-11/uk-tories-fear-rishi-sunak-s-immigration-gamble-may-fail-to-pay-off

It's nothing more than electioneering.
Fluff to cover up a decade of failures.

But if you are going to sell it as the answer to the Channel crossings I'd like to know how much it will cost and when it will be implemented.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:45

On cost we spend about £2bn a year now. I did hear on radio that set up costs were high but long term they decline as you interrupt the boats crossing. It’s not bad wrt costs but if I could listen again I would as it’d be interesting.

On whether it will happen I understand people on here will be invested in it not happening, I don’t know what the Lords will say - does anyone?

I do think it’s more than electioneering though, it’s not that persuasive as only a promise. Sunak is aware he’ll be measured by results, as he has been for Windsor agreement.

Some predicted that would fail and party would collapse over it which hasn’t happened, so it’s a wait and see for me.

Seventytwosunsetstrip · 11/03/2023 15:49

@Notonthestairs But if you are going to sell it as the answer to the Channel crossings I'd like to know how much it will cost and when it will be implemented.

And I would like to know Labour's alternative(s) ?

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/03/2023 15:51

I'm sure they'll have something about it in their next Election Manifesto @Seventytwosunsetstrip.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:52

Has Starmer not countered with anything?

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:54

Seventytwosunsetstrip · 11/03/2023 15:49

@Notonthestairs But if you are going to sell it as the answer to the Channel crossings I'd like to know how much it will cost and when it will be implemented.

And I would like to know Labour's alternative(s) ?

Currently Labour aren't in power and aren't committing taxpayers money to years of drawn out legal arguments - and ignoring their own legal advice!

I assume they'll produce a costed manifesto when the Conservatives finally get round to calling an election. As will the LibDems.

Notonthestairs · 11/03/2023 15:55

Of course could get to the bottom of Labours plans a lot quicker if the Conservatives called an election- I'm up for that if you are.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 15:57

If they can’t counter and people assume they’re soft on the issue it’s their call, but public pressure is for it to be addressed

woodhill · 11/03/2023 15:58

Moonicorn · 11/03/2023 15:34

The only way to slow down/stop more and more asylum seekers is to stop the boats. That’s it 🤷🏼‍♀️ that’s their only method of reaching here at the moment. That, and a publicity drive to say the U.K. isn’t the land of milk and honey that they think it is, so hopefully they won’t try.

We can then set up collection points for the women and children around Turkey, and take our fair share of safe and truly vulnerable refugees.

Won't they come in lorries instead?

However the boats need to be stopped

borntobequiet · 11/03/2023 15:59

Has Starmer not countered with anything?

He’s not in Government. There’s no election in sight. Why should he?