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Finally ! Therese Coffey tells it like it is. If you need more money, work longer.

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SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 17:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64745258

Hurrah for the voice of reason. Now this is the sort of person we need as Prime Minister.

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Kevinyoutwat · 24/02/2023 13:36

Thesharkradar · 24/02/2023 13:30

Then the care home owner fucked off in his Bentley
I wonder how he's s doing now that care homes can't get any staff?
His attitude doesn't surprise me but it's shocking that he actually said it to his employees😬
I'd be hoping that he would have said something to the wrong person by now and gotten some sort of comeuppance?

Let’s just say never say that to a group of employees and then demand a cup of coffee.

Because then you run the risk of someone rinsing out the mug with piss before they fill it (not me, someone else but it served him right).

He was also the sort of prick who used to openly laugh about how he helped his children buy homes but the people in his care homes couldn’t as they had sold their homes to pay him and would leave their children nothing.

He was hands down the vilest person I’d ever met. I wouldn’t wish dementia on anyone, my dad is suffering, but him I probably would.

blacksax · 24/02/2023 13:37

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 08:18

I don’t know, NHS Jobs/Civil Service website/Reed/Indeed. Take some responsibility and look for one, don’t moan there’s no jobs because there are millions of them 🙄

Don't be so sanctimonious. Actually I happen to have a job, thanks very much.

But unlike you, I also have compassion for those who are really struggling with their finances at the moment.

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 14:05

Kevinyoutwat · 24/02/2023 13:17

@Emotionalsupportviper sorry that sounded like I was having a dig at you. I didn’t mean to quote you.

No problem @Kevinyoutwat - I didn't read anything into your post other than that unskilled workers are treated like sh*t by rich barstewards, who do it because they can.

People with money often think they are better than people without - they aren't.

They have usually just had better opportunities in life - because, money makes money and the Jacob Rees_Moggs of this world inherit money, use it to make more money (generally by abusing low paid workers in this or other countries) and hang on to their money by having offshore accounts etc to minimise taxes, and also claiming every little thing they can against tax - if there's a loophole the buggers will exploit it.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 24/02/2023 14:15

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 11:13

No she isn't.

She lacks the charm.

And the looks.

And the personality. She does, however, have the personality of a dead Alsatian.

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 14:17

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 11:21

Sorry, did you READ my post. My husband does pay for his kids. What we feel resentful about is that his ex-wife thinks we should support her life choice of working part time term time. What’s that got to do with child maintenance? The receiving parent also has to support their child, which I should know myself having been a single parent myself for nine years with an ex who wouldn’t pay a penny.

How are you supporting HER life choice?

Presumably he is paying for his children - not for her. If she chooses to work p/t so that she can be there for them when they come in from school, and listen to what's happened in their day, and cook them good healthy meals etc and she has a job/profession which pays her enough p/t to do that, than that is her choice. She probably could work f/t and that would give her more money for luxuries for herself, but prefers to be with her children.

Your husband would have to pay the same for his kids whether she was working f/t or not - it is them he's supporting - not her. Or are you worried she'll use toothpaste that HE has "paid" for, or warm herself on a radiator that comes out of HIS maintenance?

I'll bet he's paying the minimum the court ordered, too.

What a bitter, jealous, mean individual you sound.

And as for the "millions" of jobs that you think people should be applying for - it depends where you live, what qualifications you have, how old you are, if you have transport, how fit you are - it's not just a matter of picking up a paper, seeing an advert, turning up and starting work.

Bitter, jealous and mean. I'm sorry - I hate to be nasty - but that's how you come across.

newnamethanks · 24/02/2023 17:23

"I'm not paying child support because the old bag spends it all on herself". I have a fantasy in which every mother says sod it and takes the mutual and not remotely expensive children round to Dad's. And leaves them there. Permanently. Imagine the panic when all these useless, feckless mums are loosed upon the world unhindered, leaving Daddy to deal with everything. As if. There are some really miserable sods out there. The rest of us should be glad they often find each other.

tippararyshamrock · 24/02/2023 18:21

BlackbeardsToast · 23/02/2023 18:13

Just goes to show that there isn't really a vegetable shortage. It's just that they are all working in Westminster.

🤣

LavenderHillMob · 24/02/2023 20:10

I've just found a turnip (I think) at the bottom of my vegetable bag. I think it's about 3 weeks old.

Readers should I sell it on eBay or hold out for antiques roadshow

pigsinoodies · 24/02/2023 20:11

LavenderHillMob · 24/02/2023 20:10

I've just found a turnip (I think) at the bottom of my vegetable bag. I think it's about 3 weeks old.

Readers should I sell it on eBay or hold out for antiques roadshow

Hunger games

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 20:14

newnamethanks · 24/02/2023 17:23

"I'm not paying child support because the old bag spends it all on herself". I have a fantasy in which every mother says sod it and takes the mutual and not remotely expensive children round to Dad's. And leaves them there. Permanently. Imagine the panic when all these useless, feckless mums are loosed upon the world unhindered, leaving Daddy to deal with everything. As if. There are some really miserable sods out there. The rest of us should be glad they often find each other.

Indeed.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/02/2023 20:50

@ThinkAboutItTomorrow There are a ton of people too whose health has been drastically affected negatively by covid -I'm one of them - I can work but that's only because we have our own business and it's not public facing.

Maverickess · 24/02/2023 21:13

Thesharkradar · 24/02/2023 13:30

Then the care home owner fucked off in his Bentley
I wonder how he's s doing now that care homes can't get any staff?
His attitude doesn't surprise me but it's shocking that he actually said it to his employees😬
I'd be hoping that he would have said something to the wrong person by now and gotten some sort of comeuppance?

I would imagine he's raging about all the lazy people who just don't want to work and bleating that he doesn't know how he can't get staff and relying on the loyalty and duty that his remaining staff feel towards the residents they care about to work 3 times as hard to deliver worse care that the residents are recieving while he pays less out in wages, pockets the difference and then his little bottom lip trembles when the CQC ask why he's always short staffed and he says "I am doing my absolute best to recruit but no one wants to work here, it's so rewarding that I can't understand why no one wants to work here"
Without the self awareness to realise that he's the reason.
And then he's held up by society as an example of what 'hard work' can achieve, only the fact it's someone else's hard work is forgotten.

MissingMoominMamma · 25/02/2023 07:38

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 11:21

Sorry, did you READ my post. My husband does pay for his kids. What we feel resentful about is that his ex-wife thinks we should support her life choice of working part time term time. What’s that got to do with child maintenance? The receiving parent also has to support their child, which I should know myself having been a single parent myself for nine years with an ex who wouldn’t pay a penny.

Part time, term time is a responsible choice for a parent, if you can do it. She’s saving £££ on holiday clubs and her kids are getting lots of input from their mum.

Just be thankful that her first choice was better than yours, and you got there eventually.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 25/02/2023 08:35

RaininSummer · 23/02/2023 18:23

It does seem to be news to some people to be honest that they need to work and/upskill. Obviously doesn't apply to those in decent jobs already who are struggling.

And who the duck is going to do all the minimum wage jobs like carers and retail staff etc if everyone does that?

MelchiorsMistress · 25/02/2023 10:34

And who the duck is going to do all the minimum wage jobs like carers and retail staff etc if everyone does that?

Carers are a different group because the conditions they are supposed to work under with the pay given is ridiculous, and that system desperately needs an overhaul.

Retail workers are usually paid more than minimum wage and there is plenty of scope to work your way up in retail.

However, if we take your point about ‘who will do those jobs’ then the answer is people who don’t have a family to support single handedly. Those jobs can be done by students, people in families who already have a main earner and only need a supplementary income, younger people who are still living at home, people who have other jobs and need to top up, people who are still relatively young but have retired and want to top up their pension. If it weren’t for Brexit we could also have added people who want to to be here to experience life in the UK and improve their English, although there will still be people in that category even with brexit.

People’s expectations need to change. If people want to have their own home and bring children into the world, then they should expect that they will need to earn more than minimum wage to support that first.

LondonJax · 25/02/2023 10:37

Hubert Humphrey - Vice President of USA in the 60s said "the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped.” Ours is failing that one completely on every aspect.

As far as I'm concerned the reason Coffey's saying that is because this government don't now have a clue how to get the country out of the mess they got it into.

So the best line of defence is to turn the problem back onto the citizens. I'm surprised she didn't add Boris's 'take back control' thing to her advice. It seemed to work last time... 'Can't pay your bills? Take back control! Get a better paid job!"

ancientgran · 25/02/2023 10:53

I don't like turnips, would I be failing if I have swede instead?

Gilead · 25/02/2023 11:40

I have half a dozen tomatoes, a cucumber and lettuce- willing to trade!

As for coffee and her turnips, she obviously has mashed swede for brains and is hoping the turnips are a step up!

Gilead · 25/02/2023 11:41

Coffey bloody autocorrect!

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/02/2023 11:44

LondonJax · 25/02/2023 10:37

Hubert Humphrey - Vice President of USA in the 60s said "the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped.” Ours is failing that one completely on every aspect.

As far as I'm concerned the reason Coffey's saying that is because this government don't now have a clue how to get the country out of the mess they got it into.

So the best line of defence is to turn the problem back onto the citizens. I'm surprised she didn't add Boris's 'take back control' thing to her advice. It seemed to work last time... 'Can't pay your bills? Take back control! Get a better paid job!"

Gandhi said the same - The measure of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable?

And it remains true,

GreyCarpet · 25/02/2023 11:53

MelchiorsMistress · 25/02/2023 10:34

And who the duck is going to do all the minimum wage jobs like carers and retail staff etc if everyone does that?

Carers are a different group because the conditions they are supposed to work under with the pay given is ridiculous, and that system desperately needs an overhaul.

Retail workers are usually paid more than minimum wage and there is plenty of scope to work your way up in retail.

However, if we take your point about ‘who will do those jobs’ then the answer is people who don’t have a family to support single handedly. Those jobs can be done by students, people in families who already have a main earner and only need a supplementary income, younger people who are still living at home, people who have other jobs and need to top up, people who are still relatively young but have retired and want to top up their pension. If it weren’t for Brexit we could also have added people who want to to be here to experience life in the UK and improve their English, although there will still be people in that category even with brexit.

People’s expectations need to change. If people want to have their own home and bring children into the world, then they should expect that they will need to earn more than minimum wage to support that first.

I once knew a woman who was the cleaner in her local pub. She worked a few hours around the children being at school.

She was really excited on one occasion because the landlord had agreed to train her up on using the till and possibly serving customers. She was excited because this would allow her to move into retail work.

That was the pinnacle of her aspiration because, intellectually, it was the pinnacle of her capability. For her, getting a job in shop was upskilling and increasing her hours.

She was willing to work hard etc, she was also at the lower end of the 'normal' range of intelligence.

It's not as simple as saying that teenagers, students, wives who need 'pin money' or retired people can take these jobs. For some people, with families to support, they are not capable of upskilling more than they already have.

Thesharkradar · 25/02/2023 12:01

If people want to have their own home and bring children into the world, then they should expect that they will need to earn more than minimum wage to support that first
You speak as if having children is something that people have to earn the right to do, but people are already deciding in increasing numbers to not bring children into the world... much to the consternation of many governments.
Having children is hard difficult expensive work which is done mostly by women and for free, the people with power and money need a supply of new humans whose labour they can exploit, populations in many countries are already facing collapse with not enough new humans to look after all the old ones who cannot work.

DerekFaker · 25/02/2023 12:07

OntarioBagnet · 23/02/2023 17:44

And what happens when all the delivery drivers, shop workers, health care support workers, carers, TAs upskill and get better paid jobs and nobody is doing those essential jobs? How about people just get paid a living wage?

Simple - migrant workers can fill the gap.

Oh 😐

Maverickess · 25/02/2023 13:02

MelchiorsMistress · 25/02/2023 10:34

And who the duck is going to do all the minimum wage jobs like carers and retail staff etc if everyone does that?

Carers are a different group because the conditions they are supposed to work under with the pay given is ridiculous, and that system desperately needs an overhaul.

Retail workers are usually paid more than minimum wage and there is plenty of scope to work your way up in retail.

However, if we take your point about ‘who will do those jobs’ then the answer is people who don’t have a family to support single handedly. Those jobs can be done by students, people in families who already have a main earner and only need a supplementary income, younger people who are still living at home, people who have other jobs and need to top up, people who are still relatively young but have retired and want to top up their pension. If it weren’t for Brexit we could also have added people who want to to be here to experience life in the UK and improve their English, although there will still be people in that category even with brexit.

People’s expectations need to change. If people want to have their own home and bring children into the world, then they should expect that they will need to earn more than minimum wage to support that first.

There's a few practical issues with what you suggest for filling the gap though, a gap that's already there and already causing issues with many areas being short staffed.
As others have said, there's people's level of capability to consider, mental health, education - not everyone can cope with a 'professional' career for a variety of reasons.
When it comes to students, those in families who need a supplementary income, people who have other jobs - employers want full flexibility, for a zero hour contract you're often expected to be available at the drop of a hat and across the whole week, and if you're not because you have children at home and the main breadwinner is at work, or you're at college/university a chunk of the time, or at your other job, they'll just not give you any hours, or you don't get the job in the first place because you're not available enough.

That isn't an usually issue with retired people, but then their age can be, younger workers are cheaper and more likely to be naïve and put up with stuff someone who's done a professional job and now retired won't, because they know they don't have to. I've worked a few places where age bias when recruiting is a thing even though it's very much not supposed to be, where they're very reluctant to hire anyone older or retired because they're usually over qualified on paper too, despite their motivation for applying. There's also the physical aspect of it in something like hospitality or retail where the job can be very physically demanding and the recruiter thinking they wont be able to keep up.

Then there's the issue of customer demand, and the demand for better and better service from places like hotels and shops, look at all the complaining around at the moment about lack of customer service. People want consistency, they want people who know what they're doing, they are demanding it.
You don't get that from a fragmented work force without a core of people who provide that consistency and experience to deliver a good service.

So yes, I agree people's expectations need to change, starting with employers who expect fully committed and available staff for a zero hour contract, poor working conditions and the least they can legally pay, and consumers who are all for losing experienced and committed staff so they can have a 'better' job to fulfill their life with homes and children, and be considered 'worthy' of such things, but also demand high service levels and people who know what they're doing.

Brexit has caused some of these shortages because of the loss of migrant workers, and business is failing to respond to that by investment in their own work force.

I agree with you regarding care work, however the same attitude still does prevail and that's what has led to the shortage alongside the loss of migrant workers. Care providers are too used to cheap labour and higher profit. Most traditionally low paid industries are very similar.

The over riding attitude is that it's lazy people causing the problems and although there will be a selection in any society, companies and services are failing to invest in the very thing that they rely on to keep going - their workforce, instead prioritise profit (under the guise it's good for everyone, but not everyone sees the benefits) and then the societal attitude is 'Get a better job if you want better pay' instead of investment in the services we all want and need to ensure that there are people available and willing to do them.

Oldnproud · 25/02/2023 13:23

Sugarplumfairy65 · 25/02/2023 08:35

And who the duck is going to do all the minimum wage jobs like carers and retail staff etc if everyone does that?

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