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Finally ! Therese Coffey tells it like it is. If you need more money, work longer.

402 replies

SerendipityJane · 23/02/2023 17:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64745258

Hurrah for the voice of reason. Now this is the sort of person we need as Prime Minister.

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noblegiraffe · 23/02/2023 23:39

Unless the government suddenly decides to govern at some point this might just happen anyway as nurseries can’t afford to pay what they already are without increasing costs to parent or refusing to accept funded children.

That will happen when the national minimum wage increases.

JunkinDonuts · 23/02/2023 23:39

Plus I suppose grafting away on a diet of turnips will solve the obesity too.
It's all good 🙄

pigsinoodies · 23/02/2023 23:45

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2023 23:39

Unless the government suddenly decides to govern at some point this might just happen anyway as nurseries can’t afford to pay what they already are without increasing costs to parent or refusing to accept funded children.

That will happen when the national minimum wage increases.

All that happens when NMW or in-work benefits increase is that bottom-level housing costs increase, which ripples through the economy, and landlords and property-speculators indirectly receive subsidies from taxpayers.

Marmite17 · 23/02/2023 23:57

The acid test of key workers, ways of working, was Covid. And although it did a lot to improve efficiency via technology and working from home, and improved some women's rights due to making child care easier. Why not before?
I think it's relevant that transport workers and nurses in unions are protesting.
Many grafters during that time were zero hours. There is no real record of agency staff, also zero hours, dying of Covid. No union, often doing really important jobs.
So I think eg Unison should extend to zero hours etc

RafaistheKingofClay · 24/02/2023 00:01

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2023 23:39

Unless the government suddenly decides to govern at some point this might just happen anyway as nurseries can’t afford to pay what they already are without increasing costs to parent or refusing to accept funded children.

That will happen when the national minimum wage increases.

I was thinking more about overhead costs and the ridiculously low amount that nurseries are funded per hour for the 15 or 30 hours as well as pay. I’m going to guess that if the government have increased that it’s nowhere near the actual cost increases for energy etc that nurseries are facing.

Gwendolines1 · 24/02/2023 00:04

Forever42 · 23/02/2023 18:31

Every so often the Tories have to roll out a soundbite to please their ever-decreasing hard core of voters. Looks like it's Therese's turn today. Ironically this comment will be aimed largely at retired people who are sick of whining 'snowflakes' and don't realise how much the world of work has changed since they got their 9-5 job-for-life on the 60s or 70s.

(I know that not all retired people think that way, but this comment will be aimed at those who do).

Exactly this.
Pure performative BS.

Maverickess · 24/02/2023 00:11

OntarioBagnet · 23/02/2023 17:44

And what happens when all the delivery drivers, shop workers, health care support workers, carers, TAs upskill and get better paid jobs and nobody is doing those essential jobs? How about people just get paid a living wage?

We're seeing what impact the shortage of people available for these jobs - social care being a big one, but the whining about reduction in customer service in many areas is due to not enough staff - sure, let's go ahead and encourage more people out of these essential services and make them worse by telling them to upskill and get better jobs and resenting them instead of respecting them.

They don't want people to upskill and earn better money, they want the low income earners providing the services they and everyone else need and want to just shut up and know their place so they don't' need to answer uncomfortable questions.

Marmite17 · 24/02/2023 00:16

RafaistheKingofClay · 24/02/2023 00:01

I was thinking more about overhead costs and the ridiculously low amount that nurseries are funded per hour for the 15 or 30 hours as well as pay. I’m going to guess that if the government have increased that it’s nowhere near the actual cost increases for energy etc that nurseries are facing.

Very believable Noble. Schools in charge of own budget, ditto, GPs. Both GPs and schools given incentives/bonuses based on Government or now academy targets.
No NHS dentists where I am. As can only take so many subsidised treatments and stay afloat based on govt funding. Again managing own budget.

Northernsouloldies · 24/02/2023 00:52

Quitting Europe and a unshackled Conservative government is a big mistake. Just watch as they erode employment laws. These bastards only look after their own. No longer an mp old boy, come have a seat on the board of directors for all the favours you done whilst in Parliament. Corrupt as fuck.

Marmite17 · 24/02/2023 01:08

Retired teacher but was offered hours during the pandemic in a school.
Sorry other teachers but no way that I would do face to face at that time. Most teachers wouldn't. The LSAs did, for key workers children, no union.
Vast majority of schools were staffed by learning support assistants ie minimum age. Untraceable if ill.

HolyZarquonsSingingSeals · 24/02/2023 01:10

HilaryThorpe · 23/02/2023 17:34

Dear God, 😮if Therese Coffey is the solution I hate to think what the problem is.

I think she might have been carved out of a turnip.

Enko · 24/02/2023 01:48

😂

jgw1 · 24/02/2023 07:35

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Boris Johnson being the most obvious example of this, although I could name many other Tory MPs as well.

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 08:15

I genuinely didn’t see what was so wrong about her saying that. DH’s ex thinks he should pay more maintenance for the kids. Yet she chooses to work part time term time when the oldest is a working adult and the youngest is 13 so can easily be left alone after school and during school holidays. She needs to contribute more rather than expecting us to pick up the slack.

As for me and DH. We’ve realised we don’t have enough to live on so I’ve just applied for a job which pays £4k a year more and he’s in line for a promotion which will pay an extra £14k a year 🤷‍♀️ We’re doing what we need to do, not complaining that ‘they’ E.g the government, ergo taxpayers need to hand over more cash to people claiming benefits.

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 08:18

blacksax · 23/02/2023 17:40

And these magic jobs are... where, exactly?

I am sick to bloody death of these fuckwitted Tories. They know sod all about what it is like for people working their fingers to the bone for NMW. They do not have a fucking clue what it is like in the real world.

I don’t know, NHS Jobs/Civil Service website/Reed/Indeed. Take some responsibility and look for one, don’t moan there’s no jobs because there are millions of them 🙄

Blossomtoes · 24/02/2023 08:24

Bitter second wife is such a bad look. There is no “us” when it comes to child maintenance, you pay nothing @WorkingFromHomeRocks, why shouldn’t your bloke pay for his kids?

Wallaw · 24/02/2023 08:46

HannibalHeyes · 23/02/2023 23:36

What's wrong with you people! Am I the only one to realise all these wonderful new Brexit opportunities in turnip farming?

@HannibalHeyes

I know! Freedom from those EU turnip quotas has been life-changing.

CatMattress · 24/02/2023 09:02

WorkingFromHomeRocks · 24/02/2023 08:18

I don’t know, NHS Jobs/Civil Service website/Reed/Indeed. Take some responsibility and look for one, don’t moan there’s no jobs because there are millions of them 🙄

You mean the NHS jobs that expect you to work overtime for no extra pay and don't actually pay enough to live on to the point half the workforce is striking - those jobs?

rahrahsa · 24/02/2023 09:04

Oldnproud · 23/02/2023 19:16

To be honest, it's hard to believe that people can be either so gullible or so thick that they can't see what a load of empty drivel such statements are.

The same is true of the 'you should upskill/ get a better paid job' .
Those who are able and get the opportunity already do that, but even if it were possible for everyone to do that - which it clearly isn't - the the country would quickly be in even deeper sh* than it is now, because there would literally be no one left to do all those low-paid but essential* jobs The country would grind to a halt.

No job , however unskilled it is, should be so badly paid that someone doing it full time cannot afford a basic standard of living.

It's satire.

And you are right, everyone should be able to have a decent standard of living whatever job they do. By decent, I mean being able to afford rent/mortgage on a flat or house which isn't full of mould, being able to heat their home and being able to afford food and some treats. This is a G7 country, we should all have a good basic standard of living. And many minimum wage jobs are essential. Who will do them if everyone gets a promotion?

tiger2691 · 24/02/2023 09:11

Yep, work 25 hours a day.

Truser · 24/02/2023 09:16

I do agree with her point about seasonal produce. But on environmental grounds. We should be trying to fly less produce over to the UK - eg strawberries in December.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 24/02/2023 09:17

VoteTurnipGetTurnip · 23/02/2023 23:12

Yeah she told NHS staff to go and work elsewhere if they didn't like their terms and conditions.

So they did and now we don't have a health system.

Mission accomplished !!

Beezknees · 24/02/2023 09:17

My 54 year old mum is having to consider getting a weekend job because she is struggling to pay her mortgage and bills (she lives alone). She works full time for the NHS already.

She was managing ok but with the interest rate on her mortgage going up, the recent insane rise in energy bills plus food, council tax increase has pushed her to the limit.

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 11:06

BIWI · 23/02/2023 18:27

JFC @SerendipityJane I thought your post was sarcastic. Didn't realise you actually agree with that load of shite.

Signed: lefty troll

What?

I thought it was sarcasm, too - you mean that there are people who actually think that Coffey and her ilk are actually the people we need in charge?

That is terrifying!

Emotionalsupportviper · 24/02/2023 11:08

Charlize43 · 23/02/2023 18:37

MPs really need to be put on the national average wage of their constituents and have their expenses cut to zero in order to at least have an idea of what people are going through.

No second homes or subsidised meals etc either.

Get a block of flats (something Grenfell-y would be appropriate) and serving MPPs can be issued with one for the duration of their tenure in parliament. (Economic rent to be paid, obviously).

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