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Ukraine Invasion: Part 38

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MagicFox · 22/02/2023 15:03

🇺🇦 38th thread for information sharing, solidarity and community 🇺🇦

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Mb76 · 23/03/2023 21:58

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 22/03/2023 17:38

Probably get the pensioners to pull them.

Like this but with a tank instead of a barge? 😁

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 23/03/2023 22:10

Mb76 · 23/03/2023 21:49

What do you mean by “poor education”? I would say it’s not necessarily that education is poor, quite the opposite I find that in subjects like maths, science, educational standards are much higher. What is worth considering is that any “humanities” type subject are heavily influenced by the state propaganda, history books written to match the narrative of the state. In that respect Russia is just following in the footsteps of USSR style education.

The main difference between Russian education and western education is that general knowledge is taught at a higher standard in Russia but critical thinking is not only not taught but actively discouraged from very young age, hence why the overall population is like sheep following their mad shepherd.

It was critical thinking yes, not knowledge. I do think for very many people it's a skill that has to be taught, to question, to be aware of contradictions and different perspectives, though some people will always hav questioning minds

blueshoes · 23/03/2023 22:59

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 23/03/2023 22:10

It was critical thinking yes, not knowledge. I do think for very many people it's a skill that has to be taught, to question, to be aware of contradictions and different perspectives, though some people will always hav questioning minds

Looking at how my ds' subjects are taught for the GCSE exams, I have to say that almost every subject seems incorporates critical thinking, even maths and art. By that, I mean having to think about and around the subject using words and analysis, not just in abstract. Somehow the UK education system manages to teach every subject at GCSE as if it were a humanities course. That is great but maybe also accounts for why the standards for computational maths and science are lower compared to other countries. Not sure the critical thinking emphasis is working universally. After all, Brexit still happened.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 06:00

I’m a semi-retired teacher and my opinion is that the need for critical thinking is paid lip service too in schools but actively discouraged in practice. Children recognise this and it makes many deeply sceptical about the education they receive.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 06:01

Sorry didn’t mean to derail this always informative and interesting thread.

borntobequiet · 24/03/2023 06:02

To! Not too. Bloody autocorrect. Bloody poor proofreading.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 08:28

A teacher's perspective is very valuable! Thank you :)

I think for me it was taught in one A level and mostly in the World Politics module at university. Very useful, that. Wish I'd taken more.

L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 09:45

@borntobequiet I agree. We ask our young people for a lot of compliance, just because. Could you imagine university students in the 1970s/1980s accepting the strict covid lockdowns that happened on campus because I can't.

Change is usually driven by young people (Iran for example), but in Britain they seem to have been condioned to accept what they have been told without thinking it through. This is concerning for future freedoms imo but is another thread, so apologies for derailing.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 11:12

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-23-2023

Key TakeawaysWagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin has softened his rhetoric towards the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) likely out of fear of completely losing his mercenary force in Bakhmut.

Prigozhin denied the Kremlin’s claims that Russia is fighting NATO in Ukraine and questioned whether there are actually Nazis in Ukraine as the Kremlin constantly claims.

Bloomberg reported that Prigozhin is preparing to scale back Wagner’s operations in Ukraine after Russian military leadership succeeded in cutting key supplies of personnel and munitions.

Ukrainian officials supported ISW’s prior assessments that Russian forces are unable to conduct large-scale, simultaneous offensive campaigns on multiple axes.

Russian forces may be shifting their missile strike tactics to focus on Ukrainian military facilities as overall Russian missile strikes decrease, indicating the depletion of Russia’s stocks of high-precision missiles.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin outlined various measures to support Russian military personnel, the Russian defense industrial base (DIB), and Russian independence from the West in an address to the State Duma.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported that Rosatom may be working to restore three power lines at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) which would increase Russian control over the ZNPP.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces are continuing to attack Bakhmut City and areas in its vicinity and around Avdiivka.

Ukrainian forces continue to conduct raids over the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast.

The Kremlin continues efforts to coerce Russian reservists, conscripts, and other personnel into contract service.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin announced that Russia is continuing efforts to integrate newly-occupied Ukraine into Russian institutions and infrastructure.

Russian forces in Belarus recently redeployed back to Russia ahead of Russia’s spring conscription call-up on April 1.

Note:

Prigozhin denied the Kremlin’s claims that Russia is fighting NATO in Ukraine and questioned whether there are actually Nazis in Ukraine as the Kremlin constantly claims. Prigozhin stated that Russia is fighting “exclusively with Ukrainians” who are equipped with NATO-provided equipment and some “russophobic” mercenaries who voluntarily support Ukraine - but not NATO itself.[3] Prigozhin also noted that Russian officials most likely knew that NATO would offer Ukraine military aid, because “it is ridiculous to think that when [Russia] decided to conduct this special military operation it did not account for NATO’s help to Ukraine.” Prigozhin noted that he is unsure about the “denazification” objectives in Ukraine, because he does not know if there are “Nazis” in Ukraine.

This is significant as Russia has been feeding the population the line that Ukraine is full of Nazis for some time now. Prigozhin, who has some influence and is large enough to challenge the Mayor of St Petersburg, is now questioning that narrative. If this gets out within Russia, perhaps some people will at least begin to think a bit.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 11:12

.. Prigozhin saying that also means it's easier to refute the Russian idiots who push that line.

PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 11:41

Woah! That's a radical statement from Prigozhin!

Positioning himself to be new warlord President once he's encouraged Russia to dispose of the lying turd who sacrificed the people for a war of choice on false premises?

PerkingFaintly · 24/03/2023 11:48

Information wars are very much Prigozhin's thing. He owned the St Petersburg troll farm known as the Internet Research Agency, and I'm pretty sure is still active in this field.

So he's in a position to start changing the narrative among parts of the Russian populace.

We may also start to see messaging on MN and other social media reflecting this new direction: Putin bad, Prigozhin saviour.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 11:53

well, he and General Surovikin are allies and there are other influential leadership figures who favour him. He's been building these training and recruitment centres throughout larger settlements and broadcasting how great Wagner are ... so honestly, it doesn't seem impossible he wants to be the new Tsar.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 11:55

If Putin is increasingly struggling, which might be the case given that he seems to move with pain and my goodness he must be under stress, he might find it hard to rein Prigozhin in, now.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 12:13

Kyiv Independent Telegram

The Hague-based International Criminal Court (ICC) responded on March 23 to threats made by Russia, expressing regret over the country's attempts to obstruct "international efforts to ensure accountability" for violations of international law.

⚡️Media: Ukraine submits (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/media-ukraine-submits-request-to-discuss-potential-transfer-of-hornet-fighter-jets) request for Hornet fighters from Finland.

Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut are preparing to "take advantage" of Russian forces' massive losses and fatigue, Oleksandr Syrskyi, commander of the Ground Forces of Ukraine, wrote on March 23.

⚡️Slovakia transfers the first 4 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine.

⚡️Bloomberg: Wagner may scale (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/bloomberg-wagner-group-focus-may-shift-to-africa) back Ukraine operations, shift to Africa.

Finland has pledged three more Leopard 2 tanks from its arsenal to Ukraine, bringing the total to six, MTV Uutiset reported on March 23.

⚡️World Bank: Ukraine needs (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/world-bank-ukraine-needs-411-billion-for-recovery) $411 billion for recovery.
This figure is equivalent to 2.6 times Ukraine's projected gross domestic product in 2022, according to Bloomberg.

⚡️Hungarian official says (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/hungarian-official-says-budapest-will-not-arrest-putin-if-he-visits) Budapest will not arrest Putin if he visits.

Ukraine's General Staff said it had made a mistake when it said, earlier today, that the Russian troops left the key city in Kherson Oblast.

⚡️Spain to send (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/spain-to-send-ukraine-first-leopard-2-tanks-next-week) Ukraine first Leopard 2 tanks next week.

⚡️Sweden approves (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/swedish-parliament-approves-600-million-in-military-aid-to-ukraine) $600 million in military aid to Ukraine.
The new package proposed by the country's government includes Leopard 2 tanks, Archer self-propelled artillery systems, Robotsystem 97 missile systems as well as ammunition.

Surviving Avdiivka: Russia intensifies assault on city deemed a ‘second Bakhmut’ (kyivindependent.com/national/surviving-avdiivka-russia-intensifies-assault-on-city-deemed-a-second-bakhmut2)

⚡️Ombudsman: 2 more children returned (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ombudsman-2-more-children-returned-from-occupied-territories) from occupied territories.
According to Lubinets, a request to return the children from the Russian-occupied territories came from a woman who was previously in Russian captivity.

⚡️ Moscow Patriarchate members start (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/moscow-patriarchate-members-start-to-leave-kyiv-pechersk-lavra) to leave Kyiv Pechersk Lavra.
Members of the Russian-controlled Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) have started to vacate the Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, Culture Minister Oleksandr Tkachenko said on March 23

⚡️General Staff: Ukrainian forces repel nearly 80 Russian attacks (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/general-staff-ukrainian-forces-repel-nearly-80-russian-attacks-on-march-23) on March 23.

⚡️Russia hits relief center (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/missiles-donetsk-refugees) in Donetsk Oblast, killing 3 internally displaced civilians

Defense Ministry: Russia redeploys (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/british-intelligence-russia-redeploys-1-000-troops-after-training-in-belarus) 1,000 troops after training in Belarus.
Russia is believed to have redeployed approximately 1,000 troops in mid-March after they finished their training at the Obuz-Lesnovsky training ground in southwestern Belarus, the U.K. Defense Ministry wrote in its March 24 intelligence update. [so, about the number who were killed today near Bakhmut]

Civilian forced to dig trenches for Russians: ‘I wanted to jump on a mine and end it’ (https://kyivindependent.com/national/civilian-forced-to-dig-trenches-for-russians-i-wanted-to-jump-on-a-mine-and-end-it)
Bodhan, a 22-year-old college student was kidnapped from his occupied hometown in southeastern Zaporizhzhia Oblast in August. Russian forces held him captive for three months and used him, with multiple other Ukrainian prisoners, as a “labor force” for digging trenches and other hard work of the similar matter.

⚡️Reuters: European Central Bank pushing Raiffeisen (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/reuters-european-central-bank-pushing-raiffeisen-to-exit-russian-market) to exit Russian market.
The European Central Bank is pushing Austrian bank Raiffeisen to exit the Russian market, Reuters reported on March 24.

⚡️Ministry: Ukraine retrieves (https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ministry-ukraine-retrieves-bodies-of-83-soldiers-killed-in-combat)bodies of 83 soldiers killed in combat.

over 1000 again.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 12:23

Live: Ukraine Telegram

The Czech Republic helped Ukraine with arms supplies as much as it could, but it no longer has many options for further assistance, President Petr Pavel said. He still sees some opportunities in the field of air defense and ammunition, for which the Czech Republic has production facilities. "Labor is hard to find here. But there are opportunities, for example, in the form of workers from Ukraine," he said.

The Southern Defense Forces are trying to clear a 20-30 kilometer zone on the Left Bank of Dnipro from the occupiers as part of a counter-battery campaign, according to Southern Defense Forces spokeswoman Humeniuk

Yaroslavl Motor Plant caught fire in Russia - Russian media
The plant is one of the largest manufacturers of engines and other spare parts for military equipment in Russia. [oops]

In the Czech Republic, volunteers raised money to purchase one RM-70 multiple launch rocket system for Ukraine. It was named Přemysl.
The Czechs have raised more than 30 million CZK ($1.2 million) for the purchase of the MLRS as part of the Gifts for Putin initiative. In the near future, the RM-70 is to be delivered to the Ukrainian Armed Forces along with 365 missiles.

The National Agency for the Prevention of Corruption has added the Austrian group Raiffeisen Bank International to the list of international sponsors of the war. Raiffeisen Bank remains an active participant in the Russian banking market, competing to increase its loan portfolio.

India's air force says Russia cannot deliver vital defense supplies it has pledged to provide to the Indian military because of the war in Ukraine - Reuters

The conversation between Zelensky and Xi Jinping is planned, but there are some difficulties in organizing it due to China's lack of a clear position on the extent of its involvement in resolving the issues between Ukraine and Russia

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that in cooperation with Ukraine and Poland, they have launched an initiative aimed at returning Ukrainian children abducted by Russia.

🇵🇱 Poland will continue to insist on increasing the European Peace Fund, which finances arms supplies to Ukraine, despite the opposition of several EU countries - RMF24

Ukraine carried out a "humanitarian action" and handed over all the seriously wounded occupiers to Russia.

A comparison between Challenger 2 vs T54 [The Russian T54 is about 75 years old]

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 24/03/2023 12:35

UNITED24 Media Telegram

❗️Denmark will join the European Defense Agency to buy ammunition for Ukraine, according to a vote in the Danish parliament.

❗️Russia began recruiting mercenaries for the war against Ukraine in Belarus and Angola. The occupiers expect to attract up to 2,000 mercenaries from Belarus. In addition, it is known that about 100 mercenaries from Angola arrived in the Russian Federation.

65% of Europeans support Ukraine's accession to the EU in the coming years, – the eupinions survey results.
The most significant support for Ukraine's European aspirations was recorded in Poland and Spain, where 81% and 80% support, respectively.
At the same time, only 54% of respondents in Germany answered that Ukraine could become a member of the European Union in the coming years.
In the rest of the surveyed countries, support for Ukraine's accession to the EU ranges from 60% to 70%.

Israel is ready to train Ukrainian doctors in the rehabilitation of war victims
We want to develop a rehabilitation system where a person receives proper medical and psychological support immediately after surgery," said Klymenko.
Brodsky assured that Israel is ready to assist with the training of doctors within the framework of humanitarian programs.

🇫🇮 Minister of Defense of Finland Antti Kaikkonen rejected Ukraine's request for the supply of Hornet fighters, — Bild

Marder BMPs are on its way to the Armed Forces.

From April 1, Kazakhstan will block goods going to Russia as part of "parallel imports", — news portal Eurasianet
The official, with whom the journalists spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Kazakhstan is not going to introduce sanctions against the Russian Federation but "will not allow bypassing Western sanctions."

❗️The 11th package of European Union sanctions against the Russian Federation will be aimed at combating evasion of already introduced restrictive measures against Moscow, — the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, at a press conference following the results of the first day of the EU summit.

Poland has already built 107 kilometers of the fence on the border with Russia's Kaliningrad region, Wnp.pl reports.
This is more than half the length of the land border between Poland and the Russian Federation, which is 198 km

The French company Leroy Merlin announced its intention to sell all its stores in Russia

A mural was created in the Patrol Police Department of the Rivne region to honor the memory of the Hero of Ukraine, a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine – Oleksandr Matsiievskyy!

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
MissConductUS · 24/03/2023 13:24

I'm a bit jealous this morning. Russian state TV propagandists have declared that the Brits are the "main bastards" in the war and deserving of a "critical defeat."

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1638900907411644416

How they plan to do this without triggering a Nato article 5 declaration and response is unclear. Perhaps they'll outlaw the full English breakfast.

America seems to have been relegated to a minor or ancillary bastard status. We'll just have to try harder from now on.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1638900907411644416

Igotjelly · 24/03/2023 13:28

MissConductUS · 24/03/2023 13:24

I'm a bit jealous this morning. Russian state TV propagandists have declared that the Brits are the "main bastards" in the war and deserving of a "critical defeat."

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1638900907411644416

How they plan to do this without triggering a Nato article 5 declaration and response is unclear. Perhaps they'll outlaw the full English breakfast.

America seems to have been relegated to a minor or ancillary bastard status. We'll just have to try harder from now on.

How they plan to do this without triggering a Nato article 5 declaration and response is unclear. Perhaps they'll outlaw the full English breakfast. - thought we were all eating squirrel already?

Surplus2requirements · 24/03/2023 13:47

If they grab all the Yorkshire tea we'll crumble 😬

MissConductUS · 24/03/2023 13:54

thought we were all eating squirrel already?

You're right. Squirrel with an egg, some grilled mushrooms and home fries wouldn't do, I guess. You really need the bacon and sausage. You were also supposed to freeze to death over the winter as I recall.

I'm sure Doctor Evil will come up with something.

L1ttledrummergirl · 24/03/2023 14:01

Don't worry about the Yorkshire tea- when we were skint I survived on supermarket own brand basics. It's hard going but just about manageable. We are tough cookies and when the going gets tough...

Igotjelly · 24/03/2023 14:03

MissConductUS · 24/03/2023 13:54

thought we were all eating squirrel already?

You're right. Squirrel with an egg, some grilled mushrooms and home fries wouldn't do, I guess. You really need the bacon and sausage. You were also supposed to freeze to death over the winter as I recall.

I'm sure Doctor Evil will come up with something.

North Korea tests underwater attack drone that can generate 'radioactive tsunami' | World News | Sky News Maybe he could take some tips from his good friend Kim. I mean look how cheery he is! (TW for those of a nervous disposition this is the usual NK propaganda nonsense.)

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
Igotjelly · 24/03/2023 15:06

Several places (including Reuters snapshot and the Guardina) reporting that Ursula von der Leyen and Emmanual Macron will visit China and meeting with Xi in early April.

In addition Spanish PM, Pedro Sanchez to visit China and meet Xi next week.