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Ukraine Invasion: Part 38

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MagicFox · 22/02/2023 15:03

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ 38th thread for information sharing, solidarity and community πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/03/2023 19:44

MagicFox · 06/03/2023 19:40

It's probably in relation to the incident minsmum posted below, awful

Penny just dropped. I think you are right.
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BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 06/03/2023 20:10

Not seen the video and won't be watching it, but whoever that man was I salute him. He must've known this was the end and that he was being filmed, and his last words were ones of defiance and resistance. Slava Ukraini indeed.

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:26

I think that video is going to end up being a very big mistake

blueshoes · 06/03/2023 20:31

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:26

I think that video is going to end up being a very big mistake

Why do you say that?

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:40

Because this sort of event is very unifying and the brave man featured in it is rightly being hailed as a national hero. It also provides unequivocal evidence (again) of exactly what the Ukrainians are dealing with, but on a very simple and human level. It is visceral. It almost reminds me of the lone protester in Tianenmen Square.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 06/03/2023 20:40

The Russians are claiming it's Ukrainian soldiers killing their own soldier

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:41

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 06/03/2023 20:40

The Russians are claiming it's Ukrainian soldiers killing their own soldier

And we all know that’s utter shit.

MissConductUS · 06/03/2023 20:44

blueshoes · 06/03/2023 20:31

Why do you say that?

They've recorded themselves committing a war crime.

blueshoes · 06/03/2023 20:56

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:40

Because this sort of event is very unifying and the brave man featured in it is rightly being hailed as a national hero. It also provides unequivocal evidence (again) of exactly what the Ukrainians are dealing with, but on a very simple and human level. It is visceral. It almost reminds me of the lone protester in Tianenmen Square.

Yes, I see. He is a true hero, like the ones on snake island. I remember the Ukrainian soldier who at the start of the war who blew up a bridge and himself too to stop the Russian advance. Who was the driver of the truck which exploded on the Kerch bridge? Too many and so many unknown and unsung. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

Unfortunate that the imagery for this execution (which I have not seen and don't plan to) will probably be too violent to invoke. His death will not be in vain.

blueshoes · 06/03/2023 20:57

MissConductUS · 06/03/2023 20:44

They've recorded themselves committing a war crime.

This too. Russia commits so many war crimes in plain sight that I have become desensitised to the legal ramifications.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 06/03/2023 21:24

Greenshake · 06/03/2023 20:40

Because this sort of event is very unifying and the brave man featured in it is rightly being hailed as a national hero. It also provides unequivocal evidence (again) of exactly what the Ukrainians are dealing with, but on a very simple and human level. It is visceral. It almost reminds me of the lone protester in Tianenmen Square.

Yep, it's a propaganda gift. The t shirts and posters are probably already being printed. There's an image of his silhouette, complete with fag hanging out of his mouth, plus wings.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 06/03/2023 21:26

Here it is

twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1632801032769007617?cxt=HHwWgsCzse3476gtAAAA

Igotjelly · 06/03/2023 21:58

To counter all the horror twitter.com/DankaDanka13/status/1632860729412861953?s=20

Mb76 · 06/03/2023 22:06

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/03/2023 19:34

Why has Zelensky posted β€˜Glory to the hero. Glory to the heroes’? Is he talking about anyone in particular with the singular hero?

Yes. The soldier who was shot for saying Glory to Ukraine

minsmum · 06/03/2023 22:15

I saw it by accident and wouldn't wish the image on anyone. He wasn't shot he was executed in cold blood by those bastards

Surplus2requirements · 06/03/2023 22:39

It's another 'fuck you Russian warship'

Glory to Ukraine!

Glory to the Hero!

MagicFox · 07/03/2023 07:29

Just pulled myself out of this mornings Twitter cesspit and the miserable amount of accounts advocating the other side, characterising NATO as warmongering and pushing us into world war, advocating for Trump, sympathising with Putin. Seemingly many Americans. I need a shower. Twitter makes me so depressed.

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/03/2023 07:49

Sadly I think he was likely just an ordinary person trapped by the Russians and I think that this has happened hundreds of times over. This was unusual in that it was filmed. Saying he's ordinary isn't dissing him. He was a man who a home, a wife, friends, apparently at least one child. He died with courage in that forest. Rest in peace.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/03/2023 07:50

MagicFox · 07/03/2023 07:29

Just pulled myself out of this mornings Twitter cesspit and the miserable amount of accounts advocating the other side, characterising NATO as warmongering and pushing us into world war, advocating for Trump, sympathising with Putin. Seemingly many Americans. I need a shower. Twitter makes me so depressed.

@MagicFox A significant number probably aren't in the US. Apparently it's one of the latest Kremlin tactics, to register on Twitter as being in the US and pushing an anti-war narrative.

terrywynne · 07/03/2023 07:53

MagicFox · 07/03/2023 07:29

Just pulled myself out of this mornings Twitter cesspit and the miserable amount of accounts advocating the other side, characterising NATO as warmongering and pushing us into world war, advocating for Trump, sympathising with Putin. Seemingly many Americans. I need a shower. Twitter makes me so depressed.

This article would go some way to explaining that: www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-64804007 Basically, Twitter is no longer detecting foreign influence campaigns (and other things) effectively during to the number of people fired or who quit in disgust at the situation.

Musk of course has been dismissive and mocking of the article.

MagicFox · 07/03/2023 07:54

I hope so! They've always been there but it does seem a lot worse

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/03/2023 07:57

www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

Key Takeaways

Ukrainian authorities indicated that Ukraine will continue to defend Bakhmut for now.

Bakhmut is not intrinsically significant operationally or strategically as ISW has previously observed. But Ukraine’s fight for Bakhmut has become strategically significant because of the current composition of Russian forces arrayed in the area. The Battle of Bakhmut may, in fact, severely degrade the Wagner Group’s best forces, depriving Russia of some of its most effective and most difficult-to-replace shock troops.

Wagner Group head Yevgeny Prigozhin apparently fears that his forces are being expended in exactly this way. The severe degradation or destruction of the elite Wagner fighting force would have positive ramifications beyond the battlefield.

The Kremlin is returning to its previously unsuccessful volunteer recruitment and crypto-mobilization campaigns to avoid calling the second mobilization wave. The return of the voluntary recruitment and crypto-mobilization campaigns likely indicates that the Kremlin will not launch another mobilization wave at least before the summer 2023 due to spring conscription cycle on April 1.

A reportedly captured Russian military manual suggests that Russian forces intend to use the newly created β€œassault detachment” elements in urban warfare.

Russian forces utilized a new type of guided aerial bomb against Ukrainian targets amid continued precision missile shortages.

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks northwest of Svatove and near Kreminna.

Russian forces secured territorial gains in Bakhmut but have not yet encircled the city or forced Ukrainian forces to withdraw.

Russian forces continued to conduct ground attacks near Avdiivka and west of Donetsk City.

Russian forces continue struggling to maintain fire control over the Dnipro River Delta in Kherson Oblast.

Russian military command is failing to properly equip its forces despite forces increasingly conducting close combat in Ukraine.

Ukrainian officials reported on alleged Russian war crimes in Ukraine.

[Expansion: Prigozhin is one of the very few with a serious military force loyal to himself. He has even seemed at times a possible threat to Putin or a possible successor. Which may be why Putin is allowing the Russian MoD to hang him out to dry. Badly damaging Prigozhin’s power and reputation within Russia would be an important accomplishment from the standpoint of the long-term prospects for restoring sanity in Russia. That is an aim in America’s interests as well as in Ukraine’s, and it raises the stakes in the Battle of Bakhmut beyond matters of terrain and battlespace geometry.]

Ukraine Invasion: Part 38
terrywynne · 07/03/2023 08:00

MagicFox · 07/03/2023 07:54

I hope so! They've always been there but it does seem a lot worse

The article does look at the rise in misogynistic attacks and does detect increases that seem to correlate with the takeover by Musk - with banned accounts being reactivated and new accounts formed which are then more active than previously. It would seem reasonable that there would be similar trends in relation to the war as well as misogyny.

I'm torn because my small corner of Twitter does not seem affected and it feels like if everything positive comes off the platform then it will be an absolute cesspit but equally staying on there is implicit support...

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 07/03/2023 08:05

Washington Post Telegram

  • A victory for Russia in Bakhmut won’t change the tide of the war, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Monday, as the battle for the eastern Ukrainian city intensified.
  • Ukrainian energy and defense officials will β€œdo everything to be ready to face any threat next winter,” Zelensky said in his nightly address.
  • Russia’s defense minister visited the occupied city of Mariupol, according to videos and a statement by the Defense Ministry.
  • Ukraine made a rare claim of responsibility for an attack behind Russian borders.
  • Russia is deploying decades-old battle tanks amid heavy losses of more contemporary ones, Britain’s Defense Ministry said.
  • Russia launched 15 attacks against Ukraine overnight using Iranian-made drones, Ukraine’s air force said.
  • Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed last week’s attack on two villages in Russia with his security council, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

Russia advances in Bakhmut by sending waves of mercenaries to certain death

[Wagnerians] The mercenary fighters typically move on Ukrainian positions early in the morning, he said, attempting attacks in irregular and unpredictable patterns, seemingly without any clear strategy, which makes them seem β€œunprepared” for battle.

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