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That's it. Anxiety has won. I am exhausted and can't take any more

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Tulips365 · 18/02/2023 12:57

Hi,

I honestly don't know how much more I can take. During the day I'm constantly jumping to worse case scenario and during the night, my OCD kicks in and I have awful, dark thoughts on a constant loop, including disturbing images, like a kaleidoscope of horrors. Last night I got 2 hours sleep and that was actually this morning. I had a panic attack in the middle of the night and wanted to scream. Would have done if it weren't for dp and dd.

Today of course I feel like utter shit.

I have avoided medication for decades, but I think I've hit the wall. I hate the idea of taking something daily and am also very wary of side effects. Mostly weight gain and numbness.

I'm absolutely desperate now. Any natural remedies that actually work or am I absolutely kidding myself?

Thank you.

OP posts:
Ohthebanality · 20/02/2023 17:51

Someone recommended propranolol to me for anxiety, I got some from GP and only take when things are really bad but I hate how it makes me feel, sort of woozy and light headed. Has anyone else had this. OP, have you tried taking omega 3, I find that helps a bit. I'm not saying that's a substitute for medication obviously.
I just didn't get on with antidepressants, I was so numb and blank. I'm waiting for autism assessment and think I may have ADHD too.

Tulips365 · 20/02/2023 18:01

@Ohthebanality It's probably the one supplement I don't take! I'm currently taking iron, vit D, magnesium, collagen, pre biotic..think that's it, but can't seem to tolerate omega for some reason. Always gives me headaches. What is it supposed to help with specifically?

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Tulips365 · 20/02/2023 18:02

Not sure why my last post was in bold.

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Ohthebanality · 20/02/2023 18:17

@Tulips365 just general brain function I think, I used to be a lot worse than I am now and I've been taking it for about seven years now.

Ohthebanality · 20/02/2023 18:20

I have the thoughts on loop at night too, it's horrendous, my brain will just not switch off. I'm not sure if it's anything to with age as I'm 45 and maybe peri menopause.

Anxiousgirl5 · 20/02/2023 18:30

Please consider medication. I can tell you right now that SSRIs saved my life. I was where you are 8 years ago. A prescription for citalopram gave me my life back. I'm still on them, and they're brilliant. I've never had weight gain or numbness (it's very much a myth that antidepressants make you numb or zombie like). Don't struggle on when there's things that can help you. Nobody wants to take a daily medication, but if you're struggling that badly it's a small price to pay to get your life back.

Seasider2017 · 20/02/2023 18:45

dont know your age, but could it be
peri menopause ? You be surprised what horrible symptoms/feeling etc it can cause.

pastypirate · 20/02/2023 18:47

Beta blockers saved my life honestly I thought I would be anxious forever.

Ohthebanality · 20/02/2023 18:54

@Anxiousgirl5 I don't agree that its a myth about antidepressants making you numb. They made me numb, I was on them for years in my twenties while in a horrible, abusive relationship. The medication made me so passive I stayed in that relationship. And in my mid thirties I took them again and was like a zombie. No sex drive. No joy in anything. Everyone will have different reactions to them. I think it's important to understand that.

Ohthebanality · 20/02/2023 18:57

Pretty sure too that it was Citalopram that made me suicidal. I only took it for a week or so. I was planning on how to kill myself and my son was only a baby.

Tulips365 · 20/02/2023 20:00

Ah and I'm reminded why I've been so reluctant up until now.

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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 20/02/2023 22:36

I'm on super low dowse sertraline and it's made a huge difference. Having lots of worry with a child and this low dose helps me sleep. Function and eat. And more importantly be a good mum. I'm gobsmacked at how much difference a low dose has made.

fluffylampbear · 20/02/2023 22:38

Heard it can be a lot to do with your internal bacteria makeup! Friendly bacteria apparently make a big difference - supplements, probiotics, that kind of thing.

Also take a good look at your lifestyle - are there underlying issues making things worse? e.g. marriage, job, unaddressed trauma? worth looking in a holistic way rather than just trying to treat symptoms, if there are any deeper causes.

Gwen82 · 21/02/2023 05:14

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 20/02/2023 22:36

I'm on super low dowse sertraline and it's made a huge difference. Having lots of worry with a child and this low dose helps me sleep. Function and eat. And more importantly be a good mum. I'm gobsmacked at how much difference a low dose has made.

What dosage?

SaorsaSolasta · 21/02/2023 05:27

SSRIs and beta blockers saved my life OP. I can't believe how well they work. I was very worried about side effects and tried without meds for years but it got to the point I couldn't anymore. I've had no real side effects with either and I'm in a much better place since starting them. Please talk to your GP and try giving them a go.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 21/02/2023 05:29

Take the meds. When I did it was such a relief, nowhere near numb, took the edge off let me not be living in a constant panic of spiralling anxiety, wished I'd done it years sooner. I did gain weight, but I'd take that over the mess my head was in. I'm at peace now if I need to stay on these for life I will, it's worth it not to be in that place.

Flossyhair · 21/02/2023 05:37

I am suffering from terrible anxiety due to some recent events in my life.

Yesterday I discovered this podcast and I cannot recommend it highly enough. So many things make sense to me now.

Here is the link for you, it's worth a go.

open.spotify.com/episode/2u44fGjsgQtkfJde5M3BkW?si=rOV2MfiSSI-xgnVN-SYoxw

Augend23 · 21/02/2023 05:37

My friend who had OCD would get to the point where she couldn't touch anything in her own house, but also didn't dare leave the house. Her hands were just disintegrated due to washing them so much. She really suffered. Sertraline really massively helped her - yes, it doesn't help everyone but you'll never know if you don't try it.

Dashel · 21/02/2023 06:00

Please do go to your doctor and take medication but please also supplement that with the exercise and time outside and things like meditation. Doing both options should really help you.

I had terrible insomnia at one point and looking at a sleep hygiene routine including a yoga with Adriene session before bed each evening made a huge difference

MissTrip82 · 21/02/2023 07:10

It can be worth reading up on the frequency and severity of side effects for any medication. That way you’ll have a better idea of how likely it is that anyone will experience the more common side effects and how significant it’s likely to be.

The ‘side effects’ of a untreated anxiety disorder are pretty horrendous.

DreamCatcher08 · 21/02/2023 08:44

i could of written this post @Tulips365 exactly the same never asked for help in a decade not worked in 15yrs anxiety so bad I’m shaking all the time tho I finally built up the confidence to go to the GP and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done I sat and balled my eyes out told her everything from intrusive thoughts of killing myself over and over again like a horror show but knowing I won’t do it feeling useless as I dont work and I’m unemployable can’t support myself and the same as you I have awesome DH that looks after me.I’m at the very start of my journey only 4days on sertaline 50mg and I’m already feeling positive i can’t say much about the side effects only jaw clenching but that should go when settled and tbh I think it’s calming down already. Anxiety wise I have the odd wobble this morning actually reading on MN and Comments about sahm always trigger me but I have this compulsion to read them but I don’t seem to spiral as much. So big hugs you can do this WE can do this your not alone speak to your GP

Gwen82 · 21/02/2023 09:32

Tulips365 · 20/02/2023 20:00

Ah and I'm reminded why I've been so reluctant up until now.

Please don’t zone in on the very much minority posts. Of course they have a place but the overwhelming majority on this thread are saying differently.

You owe it to yourself and your children to give it a go OP

Tulips365 · 21/02/2023 10:50

@DreamCatcher08 I'm sorry that you can relate so much. It's awful isn't? Glad to hear the pills sound like they're helping a little. Fingers crossed that continues.

@Gwen82 No, I'm still going to contact my GP. It's of course always going to be alarming when people report feeling worse when you can't imagine such a thing. I understand this is an extreme reaction and certainly in the minority, but still - it catches your attention. My heart goes out to those who have had such bad reactions though. Must be terrible.

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PolicyOfTruth · 21/02/2023 11:21

@Tulips365 Hi OP. I've just joined MumsNet as I wanted to reply to your post.

I've suffered anxiety for most of my life, but the last 20 years its been very bad. I've tried a lot of different things (I've tried every single family of anti-depressants) and I still suffer from it. Like you I catastrophise and that creak I hear in the night is the roof about to rip off and that chest pain is the start of a heart attack. I see cracks in my walls that have been there for years and convince myself they're new or they've got worse and my house is subsiding. If a bulb blows then I need to rewire the house. I have to double and triple check the doors when I leave and the oven. I worry constantly about what people think etc. Right now, writing this, I'm worried that (1) I'm writing rubbish (2) That I really should be working (3) That I shouldn't have signed up to MN as social media isn't good for me (4) That I shouldn't have stripped the bed as I'll never have time to wash it and remake it (5) That I might upset people with what I write... etc etc My jaws are tight, I have a migraine, my legs are defensively crossed and my shoulders are tense.

So yeah, been where you are and I'm still there... but I am getting better.

As I said, I tried all the AD's. These impact people differently. For me, they did more harm than good. They made me suicidal, prone to very angry outbursts, unable to orgasm, forgetful, gave me restless leg and started my brain mixing words (the last two have still not cleared up amongst all the other side effects. The "positives" I got was that I was numbed and tired. I was a zombie and I was not cutting it work wise and got demoted, failed in interviews and I ended up in a bad place. I researched their efficacy and found that there's little evidence at all that a chemical imbalance is what causes depression or anxiety (the two tend to be intertwined). I'll personally never touch them again. I know some people seem to gain benefit from them and I desperately wanted a pill to fix me, but in my case, it gave me other things to worry about instead. I'm glad it works for those who it does.

I also tried beta blockers. They caused my breathing to stop, which was something I definitely worried about (having to consciously ensure you breath was not something I want to go through again). I was hopeful these would work though, but my body had other ideas

I've also tried CBT in the past and it helped a bit at the time, but I stopped doing it. I have tried some "natural" remedies including St John's Wort and Kalms. I still use Kalms as the valerian takes the edge off things. Aside from that, I take a multi-vitamin (because my diet doesn't cover everything I need as I have intolerances) and magnesium as I get migraines and don't get any magnesium in my diet and this "seems" to be reducing the severity.

Things I've found that have helped have been:

  1. Water - If I am dehydrated, even a little, then I get anxious. I have to be careful not to drink too late in the day though or I end up not sleeping for other reasons!
  2. Exercise - I hate doing it, but it helps when I do
  3. DBT - Dialetical behaviour therapy (I am currently being given treatment with this via IAPT and its helping)
  4. Mindfulness meditation - This is what has probably kept me alive and sane over the decades. Its taken me a long time to realise how to do it properly, but in the last year I've noticed my behaviours have been improving. A turning point on this was actually deciding to pay some money to learn how to do it properly. Turns out I could have just bought John Kabat-Zinn's book "Full Catastrophe Living" as that is what the training I did was based on. Now that I am doing meditation every day and not doing it to "relax" or expecting results, I am getting results. Just remembering to check in with myself and realise that I am okay - or realising that I'm not okay and that's okay too!🙂It takes time, but there IS evidence that it has a beneficial effect on anxiety, stress and depression and that it helps prevent reoccurrence. It has a load of other benefits from delaying aging (look up telomeres) and improving focus, sleep and memory.
  5. Quitting alcohol - this was a double edged sword. I hid behind alcohol as I was painfully shy. I ended up hiding a lot behind alcohol and felt pretty naked when I stopped. I also had a lot of stuff I'd ignored to deal with, but I have been and I'm in a much better place now, but it was tough at first.
  6. Caffeine - I quit this too (aside from now and then) and I am much less jumpy and sleep better
  7. Long slow deep breaths - when I wake in the night I do this and I focus on my breathing. It kicks in the body's calming systems (breathing out slowly does this) and you naturally relax. You might not sleep straight away and I've once or twice spent the entire night focusing on my breathing, but your brain relaxes in the same way as sleeping when you are doing this, so it is fine with me. Also a couple of long slow deep breaths anytime you are feeling edgy helps
  8. Checking in with yourself - during the day (and not just when you are feeling anxious), check in with yourself. Look for signs of tension and relax your body and breath deeply. There is a vicious circle of thought - emotions - behaviours. If you can break one of those (in this case the behaviours), then you help break the self fueling circle. Feeling tense makes your brain think you are tense, which makes it flood your body with "panic" (hormones) and that makes you tense up and that makes your body think you're tense and... you have to break the cycle and stop the thoughts, emotions or how your body is reacting
  9. Thoughts - Your thoughts are NOT you. They are your brain just going through a load of things that might be threats or might be of interest or might need filing or... and then YOU react to one of these thoughts and it thinks "ah ha, I've found something I need to worry about and that is a danger to me, I need to dig deeper into this and I need to drag up past examples until I find a solution". This is the brain's job, to look for problems and try and avoid them. Trouble is, the bit that alerts you (the amygdala) is in the reptilian part of the brain and is very simplistic. It is panicking or its not. It doesn't do subtle. This is where your mammalian brain in particular the pre-frontal cortex comes in. The PFC can tell the amygdala to calm down, but it takes a moment (the amygdala is the fight or flight instant action part of the brain and it panics first). Meditation increases brain density and activity in the PFC and it decreases the size and activity of the amygdala. I'm fairly sure that my anxiety is all down to a way, way too active and large amygdala and I need to meditate more so my PFC gets better at controlling the amygdala and to shrink the amygdala... anyway, I digress
  10. Splashing cold water in your face - turns out there are cold sensors above your eyes and lip and if they feel cold water, your body thinks you're diving underwater and it slows your breathing and heart rate. I thought this was nonsense, but it works.
  11. Gratitude journaling - this is another thing that takes its time to work, but the simple action of putting down the positives of each day slowly train your mind to realise that its not all as bad as it fears
  12. Setting goals and stopping avoiding the things that you fear.
  13. STOP - Stop (literally) Take a step Back (take a deep breath). Observe (look around and inside - what's the situation and what are your thoughts and feelings). Proceed Mindfully (act on what you've observed).

I have to go back to work and I've written too much as it is. Hopefully some of this helps. I have been in a very bad place before (suicide attempts, literally rocking in a corner, considered for committal etc ) and I'm now able to hold down a stressful job and support my family. I'm not perfect, but I'm getting there.

Hope that helps and hope it doesn't upset anyone.

PolicyOfTruth · 21/02/2023 11:26

Oh and watch how much internet / social media / news / screens you consume during the day. I avoid the news these days - nothing I can do to change anything and its sensationalised and dwells on the bad news. Social media also does more harm than good on the whole and we spend way too much time on our computers and phones. We need to notice the world around us more and Google less.

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