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This has to STOP!

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itsnicetbkind · 12/02/2023 17:13

metro.co.uk/2023/02/12/first-picture-of-brianna-ghey-16-stabbed-to-death-in-park-18269802/#metro-comments-container

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ElonsMusky · 15/02/2023 18:55

TooSmallForTheMembrane · 13/02/2023 14:21

I would be interested to know why you feel it was wrong of the media to say teenager girl without mentioning that she was trans?

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bc she's a bigot.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2023 20:22

WingingItSince1973 · 15/02/2023 10:55

A gang of 14 year olds met on a field by my house a few weeks back resulting in one of them being stabbed. Was near fatal. The family of the perpetrator are covering for him though he is now in care. My brother was stabbed to death 17 years ago this summer outside his own house in same town as me. We are a quiet small town in the midlands. The incidents of knife carrying is escalating. It's not longer the inner cities. It's everywhere. That poor poor child and family. My dd is same age it really worries me letting her go out.

I'm so sorry. That's heartbreaking.

SerafinasGoose · 15/02/2023 21:13

The reason there are no other threads on Brianna Ghey is because Mumsnet has sensibly pulled them all. The police have made a specific appeal to the public not to speculate as to the finer details surrounding her death, including possible motives.

Some of these stories posses a particularly potent power to shock. The horrific, senseless murder of Sophie Lancaster has stayed with me ever since. I've never forgotten it, or her. I suspect it will be the same with Brianna, who obviously endured terrible suffering, bullying and exclusion at school only to be killed in an unimaginably horrible way.

I want Brianna to receive justice - the justice everyone deserves as the most basic and fundamental of human rights.

Don't you?

WhiteFire · 15/02/2023 21:52

I want Brianna to receive justice - the justice everyone deserves as the most basic and fundamental of human rights.

Don't you?

Is that aimed at any one in particular? Has anyone indicated that they don't. It just seems a strange conclusion to come to.

LangClegsInSpace · 15/02/2023 23:08

Xol · 15/02/2023 10:03

The post quoted.

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No.

The article said 'all lines of inquiry were "being explored", including hate crime.'

This is not at all the same as 'acceptance that this is likely to be a hate crime'.

It might be or there might be another motive. Police have repeatedly asked the public not to speculate. A successful prosecution depends on this.

LangClegsInSpace · 15/02/2023 23:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2023 11:06

Right now on the sex and gender board there’s a thread using an article on Brianna’s murder as the jumping off point for a thread on toilets, including the usual sentiment of trans girls and women being de facto untrustworthy if they use female facilities (as they are fully entitled to do under UK law.

If you yourself want to argue about toilets, as you are doing, maybe practice what you preach and keep it on that thread, rather than make digs at other MN posters who aren't here. No one has brought toilets up on this thread. "The article on Brianna's murder" you disingenuously mention is by a male trans activist who is the one who dismisses GC women's concerns by going on about toilets and blames them for the murder.

Exactly.

RMW should also stop speculating. Barristers can't pretend ignorance on the importance of this. IMO that Independent article should be taken down.

SerafinasGoose · 16/02/2023 00:17

WhiteFire · 15/02/2023 21:52

I want Brianna to receive justice - the justice everyone deserves as the most basic and fundamental of human rights.

Don't you?

Is that aimed at any one in particular? Has anyone indicated that they don't. It just seems a strange conclusion to come to.

It's clearly a response to the poster who created the thread.

In view of the oft-quoted police appeal, it seems a reasonably foregone conclusion.

The long-running threads on the Lucy Letby trial are still standing because posters on those threads are mindful of the protocols surrounding live cases and are not posting potentially prejudicial material.

This isn't the case with the threads on this topic.

SerafinasGoose · 16/02/2023 00:22

RMW should also stop speculating. Barristers can't pretend ignorance on the importance of this. IMO that Independent article should be taken down.

That particular barrister plopped onto another thread to intimidate a woman on the opposing side of the client he is acting for.

If that isn't a breach of professional ethics I'm not sure what is. It's amazing what passes for bar standards these days.

MsGrumpytrousers · 17/02/2023 11:54

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Sugarplumfairy65 · 17/02/2023 13:54

MaireadMcSweeney · 14/02/2023 09:11

Thank you - he's not very ok and I'm worried - he says he knows who did it, there was another stabbing down here recently and I know that witnesses have been intimidated and had to leave the area. I've told him to keep quiet and not tell anyone even friends who weren't there but you know what teenagers are like.

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You tell him to keep quiet and not tell anyone who did it? How are the police supposed to cat h him and the courts lock him up if no one will come forward with information?

MaireadMcSweeney · 17/02/2023 14:24

Sugarplumfairy65 · 17/02/2023 13:54

You tell him to keep quiet and not tell anyone who did it? How are the police supposed to cat h him and the courts lock him up if no one will come forward with information?

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Firstly there is CCTV, secondly I know the perpetrator is in custody (through work, but obviously my son doesn't know I know that) and thirdly other children have experienced reprisals for talking to police (again I know through work) and I'm not willing to have my son be threatened or hurt by getting involved. Sorry, that's just how it is.

Seratime · 24/02/2023 10:21

spacechimp79 · 13/02/2023 13:37

This is the third thread that I have seen about this incident in the last 24 hours but I guess the others have been removed.

It is very sad that another teenager has been stabbed but I think it was wrong of the media to initially say teenage girl, without mentioning the trans part. We now have no way of knowing the sex of the two 15 year old suspects, just because the media are saying boy and girl, doesn't mean it's true.

Because it is irrelevant, just like the police announcing a missing women was struggling with HRT. Neither of these points are relevant, to the general public, what is relevant is that a child was murdered and a women went missing.

Bringing up the fact she was trans almost feels as though you are victim blaming, and other threads have done just that, "if they weren't trans they wouldn't have been murdered", these types of remarks start to remove blame from the perpetrators to the victim... The bottom line a child was murdered, that is the important point, along with the importance of the discussions above in this thread around "how do we reduce knife crime"... Do we "blame the victim and say if they weren't XXX this wouldn't of happened", or do we look at ways to address the socio-economic factors behind the perpetrators actions, such as supporting the activities of organizations like youthendowmentfund.org.uk/ and having discussions around what leads people to think that carrying (using) a weapon "is what you should do".

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