This has to STOP!

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Two teens viciously stabbed another teen to death. Nobody knows why yet.

From your link:

Police said 'all lines of inquiry were "being explored", including hate crime.'

'Brianna was a transgender girl but Cheshire Police detectives previously said there was no evidence to suggest the killing was "hate related".'

... 'They are also trying to establish a motive for the attack.'

'A statement from the force urged people to "please continue to avoid speculation online and be wary of sharing misinformation".'

The only appropriate response right now is to extend our thoughts and wishes to the family who are grieving for their child and to be glad that the police are exploring all lines of inquiry.

It's not appropriate to be politicising this child's death. Please stop.

Where have you read that the police have accepted that this is likely to be a hate crime?

Might seem like an easy response, but has anyone asked their teenagers why others are carrying knives?

I have no teens but I can remember why there were knives in my area as a teen.

1. self defence. This is an escalating issue, the more knives are available the more others will feel pressured to carry them.
2. Posturing and make ego. We live in a world where ego and status is everything for these kids now. You’d have to dismantle the consumer culture tp stop it, and give them some other hope to work towards. Maybe more rap music and films about the RNLI and mountain rescue and less about violence and getting the girl, whether she likes it or no. Far too many kids aspire to be ‘gangstas’ and where have they got that from?

Male ego, not make.

On Ambulance on BBC1 last night they were saying how knife crime is just an every day occurrence nowadays, I can’t remember the figure, but it was certainly in the teens if not higher that had been stabbed in one weekend in London alone.

With stabbings, I think there is a high level of, I don’t want to say ‘luck’, maybe ‘chance’ as to whether the victim dies or walks away with a few stitches. It all depends on whether a vital organ or artery gets cut.

It is horrific that this has happened to Brianna, just as it is horrific that it happens to kids who aren’t trans, we don’t know the reason yet and it is massively disrespectful to use Brianna’s death as a political football.

Although actually, we should be using Brianna’s death as a reason to do something about all this knife crime which is literally killing young people who have their whole lives ahead of them.

How can any members of the public be expected to behave when the police don't lead by example, some of the most horrific crimes have been committed by the law enforcers.
If people have no respect for the police they'll have no respect for the law.
A corrupt government policed by corrupt police equals a corrupt society.

Women wanting to keep vulnerable women safe in women's refuges, women's prisons and in all other aspects of public life are not responsible for this child's death even if it was a hate crime.

These things are not transphobic.

Transphobia is vile. Not one person who wants women's rights to be protected or for children with gender issues to be kept safe from medical interventions which could harm them would wish this on this child or any other trans person.

I find the ease with which you are prepared to use this child's horrific murder to shut women up about things that really matter to the safety of vulnerable women and for all women to go about life in dignity and safety really reprehensible.

All forms of hate crime are abhorrent but please do not conflate women wanting to protect ourselves and retain rights as a sex class with a hate crime. It is inappropriate to use this child's awful murder in this way.

This is scary. Culcheth is a nice leafy town not some rough city centre. I live in Manchester and there are stabbings. The police are useless.

I don't think the trans thing is the issue. It's the prevalence of knife crime and children willing to murder that's disturbing. Stabbing seems to be fairly equal opportunities in terms of who are the victims.

This has been ever thus though.

There was a sixteen year old boy killed in a park on Sunday by an eighteen year old in Chelmsford and I haven't seen that on the BBC news.

Here you are:

Chelmsford murder inquiry: Tribute to 16-year-old Andy Wood www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-64641199

I am a woman, and I won’t be told I am silencing others by speaking myself. You aren’t silenced- you’re talking, the press is talking, no one’s silencing you. Being silenced is not ‘hearing opinions I don’t agree with’.

If I subscribed obsessively to an ideology that was leading to a disturbing rise in hate crime against a tiny group (0.2-0.3% of the population), then yes- I would be reflecting on that. Suggesting people reflect, consider, and sit with their emotions on an issue is not ‘reprehensible’. I have not spoken about any of the issues you have raised about women’s refuges or any other matter- jumping in to conflate these issues is just as much a politicisation of this murder as anything else.

I'm quite ok hearing opinions I disagree with. It's just wrong to emotionally blackmail women into not speaking up about their rights. You wouldn't ever try to do it to another group of disadvantaged people campaigning for their own rights.

The post quoted.

I find the ease with which you are prepared to use this child's horrific murder to shut women up about things that really matter to the safety of vulnerable women and for all women to go about life in dignity and safety really reprehensible.

So do I. It's those people who need to "sit and reflect" on whether what they are doing is irresponsible, from my perspective.

If a gender critical feminist was killed here (as they have been in the US and they have been violently assaulted in the U.K.) would any trans rights activists or allies believe their rhetoric (often graphically violent fantasies of killing and raping women) against GC feminists was in any way to blame?

Actually, on the news I meant. On the tv. Not that I have watched every single broadcast of course!

If I subscribed obsessively to an ideology that was leading to a disturbing rise in hate crime against a tiny group (0.2-0.3% of the population), then yes- I would be reflecting on that.

Women's rights are not an ideology.

If you think that GC feminists hate trans people then you have totally misunderstood.

And it is YOU who is linking the two things and then denying it is what you are doing.

At least be honest.

If anyone needs to reflect it's you. The police have asked people not to speculate and yet this is exactly what you are doing.

You are using a child's murder to stoke hate against women wanting rights for women and to protect children from harm.

I am gender critical. This, to me means that I am critical of how our society has become so entrenched in the idea that you should look, act and feel a certain way because of your sex.

I also support sex based rights (for both sexes, but especially women die to the history of oppression).

I absolutely do not support hatred of a group of people who choose to use certain pronouns, dress in a certain way or choose to use certain names.

This child's death is utterly, horrific and tragic. Sadly knife crime and victimisation of anyone who is different in any way is more and more common.

A gang of 14 year olds met on a field by my house a few weeks back resulting in one of them being stabbed. Was near fatal. The family of the perpetrator are covering for him though he is now in care. My brother was stabbed to death 17 years ago this summer outside his own house in same town as me. We are a quiet small town in the midlands. The incidents of knife carrying is escalating. It's not longer the inner cities. It's everywhere. That poor poor child and family. My dd is same age it really worries me letting her go out.

It's not appropriate to be politicising this child's death. Please stop.

GC posters could maybe clean up their own backyard on that front then.

Right now on the sex and gender board there’s a thread using an article on Brianna’s murder as the jumping off point for a thread on toilets, including the usual sentiment of trans girls and women being de facto untrustworthy if they use female facilities (as they are fully entitled to do under UK law).

Not one single post on that thread calling for respect - straight to trans people are inherently a threat to safety.

Slow hand clap for the unbridled hypocrisy

It is not hypocrisy for women to want single sex spaces. The fact that a child has been murdered doesn't mean that we suddenly shouldn't want to have normal safeguarding against all males.

I'm not going to interact with you any more because I think it is really offensive that you are using a child's murder to scold women.

I'm so sorry Winging. Incidents like this must bring it all back for you.

Right now on the sex and gender board there’s a thread using an article on Brianna’s murder as the jumping off point for a thread on toilets, including the usual sentiment of trans girls and women being de facto untrustworthy if they use female facilities (as they are fully entitled to do under UK law.

If you yourself want to argue about toilets, as you are doing, maybe practice what you preach and keep it on that thread, rather than make digs at other MN posters who aren't here. No one has brought toilets up on this thread. "The article on Brianna's murder" you disingenuously mention is by a male trans activist who is the one who dismisses GC women's concerns by going on about toilets and blames them for the murder.