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Please help. I really hate having a teen daughter.

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MsAnnThropic · 11/02/2023 09:57

My daughter is 13.5 , so only just into her teenage years, and I am finding it such hard work.

She stomps around the house, winding her siblings up, or just whacking them for fun. She refuses to help around the house at all and will take anything she wants, whether it's hers or not.

She is so angry all of the time, and frequently tells me what a shit Mum I am. I am really, really struggling.

I thought maybe she just needed some big girl time, so took her to our nearest city last weekend for shopping and dinner (her choice). I thought we'd had a lovely time, but she's been even more vile this week.

I feel so guilty, but she's going on a football camp for three days this half term and I can't wait. The atmosphere in the house is so much nicer when she's not here. It's like everyone breathes a huge sigh of relief. I feel horrible writing that.

Any tips on coping? Helping her...or me? I really don't know how I'm going to cope with the rest of the teen years 😞 (it doesn't help that my youngest isn't sleeping, so am extra sleep deprived). I just want to run away!

OP posts:
CalistoNoSolo · 11/02/2023 18:03

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/02/2023 13:22

Oh the zero tolerance crew are out. It’s luck, it’s pure luck whether you get a moody teen a rude teen or a happy one, sorry to burst the perfect parenting bubble.

I disagree. The daughters of friends who were not pulled up on answering back/disrespect when little are the nightmare teenagers now. One in particular, as a child, used to make nasty comments to her mum in the guise of a joke, mum didn't react or tell her off, and the child has become a really horrible teen for her mother to deal with.

Personally, I gave my DD a lot of (age appropriate) autonomy and responsibility from a fairly young age and we have always had a very good relationship with very little teenage angst or nastiness. I don't think shitty behaviour is inevitable and I don't think it's all down to personality either.

MissWings · 11/02/2023 18:07

@ReneBumsWombats

I am sorry you think that has been my intention. It actually wasn’t, I am simply just discussing topics and parenting trends that I find interesting A) because I have a pre-teen and B) because I’ve had the pleasure of working with lots of families. No one is saying you cannot have an opinion, I too have faced trauma in my childhood. Calling people out for their supposed madness for discussing contested topics is severely lacking in awareness and empathy. I don’t think any of us have all the parenting answers here.

SockGoddess · 11/02/2023 18:11

Both my DC have been pulled up on rudeness and given firm boundaries since they were little. My older DS has been an easy teen so far. My DD is not. I am still pulling her up on rudeness and doing the natural consequences (you're rude/horrible to me, I don't do stuff for you, buy you stuff etc) and it's not helping at all at the moment because she couldn't give a shit and just wants to act out all the time. It's not just about how you raised them.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

MissWings · 11/02/2023 18:15

@SockGoddess

Have you read Get out of my life but take me to town first? It’s quite a good read. It explains how girls can act out more than teen boys and the reasoning behind it. its true for us at the moment.

smileladiesplease · 11/02/2023 18:18

I think you are too nice!

We had 4 teens 2 girjs. You pick battles but absolutely take no shit. She behaves and is polite and kind. End of.

SockGoddess · 11/02/2023 18:25

MissWings thanks, yes have just got it and I'm half way through. It's very informative but also a bit alarming as it often basically seems to be saying "there's nothing you can do about this". It's sometimes kind of a relief to read that and sometimes upsets me.

Caplin · 11/02/2023 18:27

My DD is a similar age and my pre teen is also quite developed and hormonal, to the point she may start her periods before her older sister. the hormones are crazy but they are both very sweet at their core. DD1 however is a rollercoaster.

couple of things, everyone of us has our own personality and we need to recognise that and flex our language. Otherwise you end up in a spiralling shouting match (which I regularly do and then feel bad). Maybe in a lighter moment you could both do a Myers Briggs test online. This one is fun - www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test. It might give you a bit of insight into her brain, her fears etc.

second, she takes it out on her family because you are the ones she loves most and feels safest with. She will spend a day masking her feelings and then come home exhausted and you get the brunt.

Finally, firm boundaries about right and wrong, acceptable and not, that is not that same as zero tolerance/strictness. You can calmly lay down what is expected without stripping her of all her rights and privileges. There do have to be consequences, but they have to be reasonable, not knee jerk.

Just remember, you are her safe place, and she relies on you for boundaries, even if she fights against them. And in twenty years or so she will parroting them to her own kids!

TiaI · 11/02/2023 18:27

WimpoleHat · 11/02/2023 10:17

don’t allow it to develop, don’t tolerate it, don’t allow your teens to think they can disrespect you and ruin years of family life for everyone lwith their attitude.

I must say that I agree with this (and I have a DD of the same age). I know a lot of people advocate the whole love bombing approach, but basically she’s behaved badly, you’ve rewarded her with a lovely day out of her choosing and then she’s behaved worse. I’d get a lot tougher.

This only works if your child is NOT acting out from substantial anxiety or depression. If there are underlaying mental health issues which result in poor behaviour then building stronger bonds and role modelling level, fair, compassionate, warm interactions is more likely to result in more regulated behaviour.

MissWings · 11/02/2023 18:31

@SockGoddess

Yeah I see what you mean. It is informative but I would still recommend parenting on instinct too. It’s good to put things in perspective but at the same time does have a defeatist tone.

My DD and DS have just came home from watching a football match. I said to my DD “oh what was the score?” She replied “why do you care?”.

I just replied calmly with “ok well that was rude” and then proceeded to ask my son about the game and the day. She has just apologised to me because actually it turns out she does want to discuss the game with me. Now that she has apologised we can chat. Honestly if I accepted her rudeness day in day out life would not be pleasant for either of us.

Caplin · 11/02/2023 18:34

I should add, if either of my kids called me a shit mum, their feet would not touch the ground and they know it. For all I say about being understanding etc, that would be an explosive red line for me.

Ruffpuff · 11/02/2023 18:45

I seem to remember the teenagers with the ‘nicest’ laidback parents (the types who love bombed) being the worst behaved spoilt brats! I used to be horrified by how some of my friends would speak and behave towards their parents, who of course allowed it. My mum was no bully, but she didn’t tolerate rudeness and I knew where the boundaries were. I’m 25, so I don’t think teen parenting has changed that dramatically in the last 10 years (other than becoming more stalkerish tbh).
I think a lot of parents just kid themselves that it’s normal teen behaviour to behave horribly because they’re so hard to parent these days. I’m not doubting every teen has their moment, but I was hormonal and emotional, but I still knew the difference between right and wrong. Either way, I’m dreading having a teenager one day because I think it’s incredibly hard to get the balance right.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 11/02/2023 19:29

I’m a laid back parent. My teens were all fine.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/02/2023 19:32

My dd is a year older than yours. She’s coming through it now I think. We are getting on better. I have bitten my tongue a lot, loads. Picked my battles. Some of the things she has said to me are so hurtful. But you move on and forget them. Sometimes I completely lose my shit because it builds and dd can be quite controlling. Like I did last weekend about it when offloading to dh, rather than shouting at her btw - this time that is. I did blow my top and shouted at her a while back after about 3 months of constant goading at me for doing something for her, which she said wasn’t for her bla bla bla, it was for me and I enjoyed making her life hard etc. A couple of months later the penny dropped and she admitted was for the best and she understood why I’d done it. That was bloody hard and upsetting at the time. But like everything else, it’s a phase.

I think the most important thing out of everything is to look after your mental health so that you are still able to connect with your dd through all of the shit. And if you do lose it once or twice to reconcile and talk about it even if you aren’t seeing eye to eye. Hug. Tell her you love her lots and you are proud of her regularly. I remember being a teen and feeling so totally unloved. Part of that for me was being angry for no reason, which turned inwards. Because if you don’t have a parent to say to you: “I don’t like your behaviour but love and accept you”, it’s easy for the teen to lose her way.

Teens one minute are adults and the next toddlers. I absolutely don’t agree with authoritarian parenting. This builds up barriers when they need to be broken down. You want your dd to come to you or to someone else if she’s in trouble or finds herself out of her depth, pregnant, drunk or in a difficult situation with a boy.

Chatting in the car is really is the time when dd and I spend together. Allow her to do her own thing, freedom to see friends, go for walks, into town, take the bus etc. She goes to activities multiple times a week so that helps to keep her busy and time in the car.

As for your dd hitting her siblings. I’d have zero tolerance. I’d also wonder if the sibling did something or gave a look, not that it is necessarily the case. I very much like natural consequences but for something like this I’d go in hard, she’d lose any privileges for the week and be grounded.

I don’t find ramping up works until there is nothing to lose. Dd can become hysterically upset or on the flip side be incredibly sarcastic and put on an air of not caring. When dd was your dd’s age, I did confiscate her Nike Jordan’s for a week. This has much more of an affect on her than her phone, because she knows she has to get that back for school or to go out and then I’d have to take the iPad and so forth. She wouldn’t be handing them over willingly because as you’ve probably worked out, they’re the dc’s equivalent of the Crown Jewels and having to hand the phone / ipad back to do homework or to go to school really does defeat the object.

That quickly becomes a game of ‘well that didn’t work, did it’ and as dd os pretty defiant and the only way to ‘win’ on that score would be to go for the jugular, to crush her spirit and I’m not into that. We’d both be losers and it would have a large impact on her mental health. I was parented in this way and it was pretty devastating for me.

The only time I’d take a phone is if it was being abused - bullying, porn watching, inappropriate apps, sexting etc. On that score I’m lucky. Dd has always been quite mature for her age and on checking her phone I never once found anything untoward. The bottom line is to keep connecting with her and remember that it’s not that bad. She’s going to school, isn’t pregnant, not doing drugs, is coming home when agreed and so forth.

And then you’ve got it all to come with your younger ones. Chin up and remember it’s a phase. That goes to you too @SockGoddess Smile

Nightesonhorseback · 11/02/2023 19:34

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/02/2023 19:32

My dd is a year older than yours. She’s coming through it now I think. We are getting on better. I have bitten my tongue a lot, loads. Picked my battles. Some of the things she has said to me are so hurtful. But you move on and forget them. Sometimes I completely lose my shit because it builds and dd can be quite controlling. Like I did last weekend about it when offloading to dh, rather than shouting at her btw - this time that is. I did blow my top and shouted at her a while back after about 3 months of constant goading at me for doing something for her, which she said wasn’t for her bla bla bla, it was for me and I enjoyed making her life hard etc. A couple of months later the penny dropped and she admitted was for the best and she understood why I’d done it. That was bloody hard and upsetting at the time. But like everything else, it’s a phase.

I think the most important thing out of everything is to look after your mental health so that you are still able to connect with your dd through all of the shit. And if you do lose it once or twice to reconcile and talk about it even if you aren’t seeing eye to eye. Hug. Tell her you love her lots and you are proud of her regularly. I remember being a teen and feeling so totally unloved. Part of that for me was being angry for no reason, which turned inwards. Because if you don’t have a parent to say to you: “I don’t like your behaviour but love and accept you”, it’s easy for the teen to lose her way.

Teens one minute are adults and the next toddlers. I absolutely don’t agree with authoritarian parenting. This builds up barriers when they need to be broken down. You want your dd to come to you or to someone else if she’s in trouble or finds herself out of her depth, pregnant, drunk or in a difficult situation with a boy.

Chatting in the car is really is the time when dd and I spend together. Allow her to do her own thing, freedom to see friends, go for walks, into town, take the bus etc. She goes to activities multiple times a week so that helps to keep her busy and time in the car.

As for your dd hitting her siblings. I’d have zero tolerance. I’d also wonder if the sibling did something or gave a look, not that it is necessarily the case. I very much like natural consequences but for something like this I’d go in hard, she’d lose any privileges for the week and be grounded.

I don’t find ramping up works until there is nothing to lose. Dd can become hysterically upset or on the flip side be incredibly sarcastic and put on an air of not caring. When dd was your dd’s age, I did confiscate her Nike Jordan’s for a week. This has much more of an affect on her than her phone, because she knows she has to get that back for school or to go out and then I’d have to take the iPad and so forth. She wouldn’t be handing them over willingly because as you’ve probably worked out, they’re the dc’s equivalent of the Crown Jewels and having to hand the phone / ipad back to do homework or to go to school really does defeat the object.

That quickly becomes a game of ‘well that didn’t work, did it’ and as dd os pretty defiant and the only way to ‘win’ on that score would be to go for the jugular, to crush her spirit and I’m not into that. We’d both be losers and it would have a large impact on her mental health. I was parented in this way and it was pretty devastating for me.

The only time I’d take a phone is if it was being abused - bullying, porn watching, inappropriate apps, sexting etc. On that score I’m lucky. Dd has always been quite mature for her age and on checking her phone I never once found anything untoward. The bottom line is to keep connecting with her and remember that it’s not that bad. She’s going to school, isn’t pregnant, not doing drugs, is coming home when agreed and so forth.

And then you’ve got it all to come with your younger ones. Chin up and remember it’s a phase. That goes to you too @SockGoddess Smile

Fantastic post! Really good advice imho.

Rainallnight · 11/02/2023 19:34

OP, what’s the story with the younger one not sleeping? Is there a new sibling? Any other changes?

MartinQBlank · 11/02/2023 19:36

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/02/2023 19:32

My dd is a year older than yours. She’s coming through it now I think. We are getting on better. I have bitten my tongue a lot, loads. Picked my battles. Some of the things she has said to me are so hurtful. But you move on and forget them. Sometimes I completely lose my shit because it builds and dd can be quite controlling. Like I did last weekend about it when offloading to dh, rather than shouting at her btw - this time that is. I did blow my top and shouted at her a while back after about 3 months of constant goading at me for doing something for her, which she said wasn’t for her bla bla bla, it was for me and I enjoyed making her life hard etc. A couple of months later the penny dropped and she admitted was for the best and she understood why I’d done it. That was bloody hard and upsetting at the time. But like everything else, it’s a phase.

I think the most important thing out of everything is to look after your mental health so that you are still able to connect with your dd through all of the shit. And if you do lose it once or twice to reconcile and talk about it even if you aren’t seeing eye to eye. Hug. Tell her you love her lots and you are proud of her regularly. I remember being a teen and feeling so totally unloved. Part of that for me was being angry for no reason, which turned inwards. Because if you don’t have a parent to say to you: “I don’t like your behaviour but love and accept you”, it’s easy for the teen to lose her way.

Teens one minute are adults and the next toddlers. I absolutely don’t agree with authoritarian parenting. This builds up barriers when they need to be broken down. You want your dd to come to you or to someone else if she’s in trouble or finds herself out of her depth, pregnant, drunk or in a difficult situation with a boy.

Chatting in the car is really is the time when dd and I spend together. Allow her to do her own thing, freedom to see friends, go for walks, into town, take the bus etc. She goes to activities multiple times a week so that helps to keep her busy and time in the car.

As for your dd hitting her siblings. I’d have zero tolerance. I’d also wonder if the sibling did something or gave a look, not that it is necessarily the case. I very much like natural consequences but for something like this I’d go in hard, she’d lose any privileges for the week and be grounded.

I don’t find ramping up works until there is nothing to lose. Dd can become hysterically upset or on the flip side be incredibly sarcastic and put on an air of not caring. When dd was your dd’s age, I did confiscate her Nike Jordan’s for a week. This has much more of an affect on her than her phone, because she knows she has to get that back for school or to go out and then I’d have to take the iPad and so forth. She wouldn’t be handing them over willingly because as you’ve probably worked out, they’re the dc’s equivalent of the Crown Jewels and having to hand the phone / ipad back to do homework or to go to school really does defeat the object.

That quickly becomes a game of ‘well that didn’t work, did it’ and as dd os pretty defiant and the only way to ‘win’ on that score would be to go for the jugular, to crush her spirit and I’m not into that. We’d both be losers and it would have a large impact on her mental health. I was parented in this way and it was pretty devastating for me.

The only time I’d take a phone is if it was being abused - bullying, porn watching, inappropriate apps, sexting etc. On that score I’m lucky. Dd has always been quite mature for her age and on checking her phone I never once found anything untoward. The bottom line is to keep connecting with her and remember that it’s not that bad. She’s going to school, isn’t pregnant, not doing drugs, is coming home when agreed and so forth.

And then you’ve got it all to come with your younger ones. Chin up and remember it’s a phase. That goes to you too @SockGoddess Smile

YY to so much of this. Very much in tune with my experience of parenting teens and also my approach

smileladiesplease · 11/02/2023 20:57

See I don't get this. Teens are like toddlers in many ways so you obviously adore them and accommodate them but you have boundaries and they want you to have boundaries.

They shouldn't accept rudeness or unkindness from parents and ditto teens. No totally no.

You don't help teens by allowing this shite. You just don't

Whoatemysocks · 12/02/2023 01:22

I’ve stressed to my DDs that ultimately their life is their own to live and one day in the not too distant future I will have no business knowing anything about what they do if they don’t want me to. So any unhappiness they might have about boundaries and rules, it’s finite, they have a destination of freedom guaranteed. In the meantime, I stress what I’m trying to do is help them get to that point with the most solid foundation so they have the maximum ability to take advantage of those freedoms, even if it’s just the flexibility and resilience to think “I’ve gone in the wrong direction here but here’s what I need to do to help me get back on track”. I’ve tried to make it clear to them that what they do with their life is their business, I have my life to live and they aren’t an extension of me, I don’t see myself reflected in their achievements.

Whoatemysocks · 12/02/2023 01:25

So far I think they believe me when I tell them that I love them but I’ve got my own stuff to do.

Liorae · 12/02/2023 01:35

She stomps around the house, winding her siblings up, or just whacking them for fun.
You need to put an end to this. My mother allowed my older brother to get away with this to the point he broke my front tooth. My relationship with my mother was severely damaged by what I saw as her extremely ineffectual parenting.

LifeunderMarrs · 12/02/2023 02:48

Futurethoughts · 11/02/2023 10:27

Yeah, I’d just do the washing up. It isn’t worth the aggro!

Best advice on here. Don't over think it - they are mini adults and need to be shown that, with love.

smileladiesplease · 12/02/2023 10:37

Whacking them for fun!!

Seriously you are allowing bullying to go unchecked in your house. You need to stop this pronto totally unacceptable.

My dd at 4 bit her older brother 10! Trust me she only did it once. You can't tolerate this behaviour in a child of any age but a teenager that's not on.

harrassedmumto3 · 12/02/2023 11:12

I have 3 daughters, two of whom are 13 and 16. To say I feel your pain is an understatement Grin
My 21 year old is a joy though. They do grow out of it eventually!

SockGoddess · 12/02/2023 11:42

This thread is helping me, OP would it be ok to keep posting and use it as a bit of a support thread for those of us going through this? Or I could start a new one for that maybe.

PPs’ posts have encouraged me to get a bit tougher with my DD regarding her worst behaviour and make boundaries stronger, while also trying to listen and support, and try to detach myself emotionally when I need to. My problem is she takes no notice of consequences/boundaries and just gets more angry, but that isn’t a reason not to keep asserting them.

Southwestten · 12/02/2023 11:57

Futurethoughts · Yesterday 10:27
Yeah, I’d just do the washing up. It isn’t worth the aggro!
Best advice on here.

Sure but then presumably other siblings wouldn’t have to help with household chores either otherwise it will only create more discord between the siblings.