Teachers pay

[Folloe]

I have what might be a stupid question. If teachers aren’t paid for their holidays but have a yearly salary does that mean:

teachers salary: 40k for working 39 weeks of the week

Is then equivalent to a job that’s 48 weeks of the year (4 weeks for holidays) would be 49.2k

Im not against teachers striking and asking for pay rise to come from the government rather than the school pot. This isn’t a teacher bashing thread.

Just because school is closed does not mean that teachers aren't working. There is endless planning and marking, revision sessions, classroom cleaning and decoration that goes on in the holidays.

Also not sure where you got £40k from. Teachers start on £28k in England.

Ex primary teacher here. Teachers have 12 weeks of ‘holiday’ in total. Most jobs nowadays offer at least five weeks, plus bank holidays. So overall, teachers are working about 5.5 weeks less than a full time employee - 27 days maybe.

Of those 27 days, at least seven will be spent directly working on school work. Catching up on marking and planning, making resources, setting up your classroom.

That leaves 20 days. My working week would typically be 45- 55 hours. So at least an additional whole working day a week over a standard working week.

So that additional 20 days becomes minus 20 days.

Most teachers are not on £40k. But even if they were, the ‘extra’ holiday should not be in your maths.

Reasons teachers can strike is actually quite narrow. Pay is one of them. Most teachers are only partly striking over pay. It’s more to do with workload, and lack of funding and resources. Schools really are on their knees.

I left the profession in 2018. It had nothing to do with pay. You could double my pay to £80K and I still wouldn’t return to the classroom in the current climate.

Teachers get paid for 1265 hours to be worked over 195 days.

I’d say most teachers do similar hours but condensed mainly into term time, but many will work in holidays too.

I wasn’t saying all teachers were on 40k it was just to make maths easier. I know the starting salary is 28k.

Why do I keep reading teachers saying we don’t get paid for our holidays? It just seems to confuse me each time as then technically their salary is higher than what they quote as it’s almost like being on a 0.9 contract. Saying that doesn’t work in their favour?

No, their salary isn't technically higher because nobody received it. The salary is what it is

They work for much of those holidays.
Salary is an annual salary divided by 12 to pay monthly.
DS1 is a teacher. He works 70 hours a week, sometimes more if there are parents evenings and open evenings. He does 5 extra lessons a week for GCSE and A level revision on top of his timetable.
He spends half terms planning , Christmas was marking mocks, Easter he will be in school doing revision classes. In the summer he usually has 3 weeks off out of the 6.

Of course the salary isn’t higher

I honestly don't know why anyone would want to be a teacher today. My kids went to fab schools snd nearly all teachers were simply fantastic.

You still get the usual parents suspects moaning always the ones with the most difficult kids surprise surprise.

Every other day you hear someone saying 'it should be taught in schools!' Nooooo! Most things should be taught in homes by parents. Teachers teach subjects not basic manners and morals.

The point teachers try to make is that we’re paid for 1265 hours over 195 days, as @JanetandJohn500 said we don’t actually work anything like those hours/days, making our hourly rate significantly lower than what we’re paid for, rather than higher as you’re suggesting @Folloe

Teachers in Scotland are on over 42k, once they reach the top increment. Pay isn't annualised like the school dinner helpers and cleaners etc

We don’t just work those days op, that’s the point, so stop with your goady bollocks

Basically, yes.

Basically no

@OxanaVorontsova but most professionals work more than their hours that’s not abnormal. I also don’t distribute that teachers work more hours and during the holidays.

What I am saying is teachers should stop saying we don’t get paid during the holidays as then it can be used against them.

Teachers are paid for around 32.4 hours per week for 39 weeks. This is spread over 12 equal monthly payments.

In reality, many teachers are working 50+ hours weekly and extra in some holidays.

The teachers are asking for a fully funded pay rise. Even the rise this academic year was announced after school budgets had been allocated - schools weren't given additional funding to cover it. That means cutting back on resources, often support staff, to pay the teachers.

I think they are paid a perfectly reasonable wage. I've hardly met a teacher who doesn't complain about their pay.

My friend is a teacher her contract says 31.5 hours a week - last week she pulled 90 hours and said she was behind.

teachers do not get overtime? Bonuses ? Etc I don’t think.

my friend relies on a food bank to feed her children, she has no time for her own family. In work by 7 am home by 7 pm and working 7 days and works through the holiday! Add on top the phone calls made from home and the sheer stress she takes home £30 K before tax and pension - that’s not acceptable for the hours she does

Teachers don't say they don't get paid during the holidays. They say they don't get paid for working in the holidays.

Ah it’s this one again is it.

’In any other job teachers would be considered to be working part time hours.’

I’ll see if I can find the last thread.

TAs , and I'm sure teachers are, are paid pro rata. They only get paid for the hours that they work.
At one point, TAs only got paid each month , for the hours that they worked so they weren't paid during half terms or holidays.
Now, usually, their hours are calculated over a year and that sum is divided up into twelfths so that they receive a regular amount that's easier to live on and budget.

What do you think that pay is?

Teachers don't say they don't get paid during the holidays, because that isn't true, however we get paid for 195 days of work, this is spread out into 12 equal payments. We don't get paid for all of the days of school breaks though.

Could have written this myself!!! I took a £20k pay-cut in 2019 to leave teaching. Best decision of my life. I am a million per cent behind every teacher in this country who has chosen to strike - it's not a decision that has been taken lightly by anyone