Teachers pay

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I have what might be a stupid question. If teachers aren’t paid for their holidays but have a yearly salary does that mean:

teachers salary: 40k for working 39 weeks of the week

Is then equivalent to a job that’s 48 weeks of the year (4 weeks for holidays) would be 49.2k

Im not against teachers striking and asking for pay rise to come from the government rather than the school pot. This isn’t a teacher bashing thread.

I honestly think a big part of the problemos most teachers have only ever gone to school, gone to uni, then worked in a school. As a result their perception of what it is like to work on a hospital ward, in a call centre or in a lawyers office is severely skewed.
Not at all my experience of teaching. I realise that with almost 20 years of corporate experience under my belt before qualifying, I am an outlier. However I estimate that 80% plus of my colleagues have at least 5 years of working in other careers before starting their PGCEs.
So please drop this 'teachers don't know what it's like in the rest of the world' refrain. I assure you that they do.

Please stop with the teacher bashing.

They work their arses off and are worth their weight in gold.

The ones in our school deserve medals and have the purest and most caring of hearts.

Leave them alone. Please.

@RingRingRingGoesTheTelephone this is so worrying.

i wonder if Labour was in power they would find money for a huge injection of cash into state schools. I wonder if they would find a way to cut away the workload to get back to the core job of just teaching. All the admin… why is it all for, why were all these hoops introduced in the first place - presumably it’s about quality control and demonstrating how you’re meeting certain standards for different groups of students.

Is it even conceivable any more that teachers could ever get back to “just” planning lessons, teaching the syllabus, setting and mark homework and assessments?

This might help you to understand.

Agreed. I know very few this is true for.

I trained after another career and having my first DC. I was expecting to be the oldest on my PGCE. I wasn't anywhere near. Everyone had done other things first.

Many, sadly, have gone back to their previous careers having taught for a few years. Some went to teach abroad.

There are a handful of us left and a few of us are now out of the classroom in specialist roles (me included).

I dont get why people are so determined that 'normal' work is 40 hours a week Monday to Friday, with statutory minimum leave and try to force teacher contracts to fit that pattern even though it doesnt work for the job. Theres loads of condensed hours or annualised hours (or both) contracts out there and lots of people get more than statutory minimum paid leave.

I couldn’t care less about your language.

I hope you aren’t a teacher with a lack of understanding and comprehension like that though.

@lifeissweet
Many, sadly, have gone back to their previous careers having taught for a few years. Some went to teach abroad.
We all sat to discuss whether or not to strike as a united group. The fact that so many of them stated as fact that they'd have no choice but to go back to their old career if pay didn't step up was a reason for me to strike. That, and the realisation that a good number of our staff are subsidised by higher earning partners, and that teaching is becoming a 'hobby job' in my area.

I wo der how many teachers leave the profession to go into the "real world" and then go back into teaching because they realise all jobs are hard. Personally I know none.

Is there a source for that graphic and the data it relies on please?

Same shit different day.

There was a back to teaching drive about 15 or 16 years ago, So it does happen but I only know one teacher that has gone back in to teaching and stayed there.

You appear to have completely missed the point of the thread and the question being asked

Nope, just can't be arsed with hypothetical numbers that don't reflect the actual pay of teachers.

@Witsendwilly
It says on the chart The times and Sunday times with data from the office of National Statistics.

I am thinking of going into teaching. Don't mind long hours but I do mind the money. So waffle aside.

If the job is advertised as 24k do I get 24k a year or do I get less?

24k would be more than i earn now as a scientist but if it is pro rata'd it may not be worth my while.

Only stupid people fling at teachers that they don't know the real world. What a load of crap and a lazy point. I've had many jobs before being a teacher, as have all the teachers I know.

Lots of private schools are losing staff, or staff are going on strike over withdrawing from the TPS, so I don't think messing around with pensions is the great idea you think it is.

If it's advertised at £24K, that's what you get.

It does say on there, but data is from ONS. So as reliable as you could possibly get for this kind of data.

Wouldn’t necessarily agree with this, I can think of similarly paid professionals, who also work well over the hours they are paid for who don’t get the same amount of holidays.

Thank you

getintoteaching.education.gov.uk

Not only will you be paid the salary as stated, you will, as a scientist, get a large, tax-free bursary to train.

You'll also have your pick of jobs as the govt fail year on year to meet their recruitment targets despite the above.

It’s just one of those things some teachers on mn say. I’ve never heard any teachers say it irl. When they’re not working that’s holidays like everyone else

Teacher contracts are archaic and not comparable to any other job. They contain no normal hours of work. No mention of annual leave. Teachers are paid to be DIRECTED to be on school premises for 1265 hours over 195 days (pro-rata for part time). The contracts then state that teachers must complete an unspecified number of hours of work to fulfil their professional duties (but the headteacher cannot DIRECT at which physical location this takes place). Teachers are the only employed people in the U.K. that do not accrue annual leave whilst off on maternity or sick leave etc. as standard. The legal argument behind this is that teachers are legally entitled to only the minimum annual leave of 5.6 weeks (what with the contacts being silent on the subject of annual leave). With 12 weeks school closure (13 minus the week of inset days) teachers can fit 5.6 weeks into the year before or after their maternity leave. There is no provision to accrue the holiday pay.

Ex-teacher. Happily employed elsewhere on more money and with better conditions. I support the strike. I support my children’s teachers. I want there to be great teachers in our country’s future.