Well this nails the SUV culture war colours to the mast

[QuertyGirl]

I can tell you now, they will have thought long and hard about who this will appeal to and why.

Like a cyclist needs to be 'warned' of the presence of a hulking great SUV.

One for the RageRovers among us.

www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2021/07/07/bully-klaxon-or-sweet-toot-suv-maker-ineos-grenadier-has-cycle-icon-on-steering-wheel/?sh=4ab3463445ae

Yes, hopefully will return to their bridge v soon.

Wtaf??? You can't be for real, a cycle track?? Not sure where to start tbh. Mmm, Range Rover a are you by any chance?

I'm not even a cyclist btw but totally defend the right for them to be on the roads.

And. Those numbers are statically negligible. When compared to the number of cars and people there are.

And the link between emissions and deaths has not been proven.

I agree with @onefinemess

Roads are dangerous and it's madness to sacrifice so many lives to them each year. They constrain the lives of our children, choke our lungs and harm the climate, as well as costing a fortune. With efficient public transport, we could clearly get rid of private cars.

With efficient public transport, we could clearly get rid of private cars.

How “efficient” would it need to be to allow that to be possible?

It’s never been done before.

I was being facetious. Just as you wer- wait, you weren't actually being serious? Gosh. Wow.

Except you couldn’t make a bus route that went everywhere anyone wanted to go at all times.

Saying cycling isn’t a form of transport is just idiotic

Getting rid of private cars would not be a good thing. It would place the control of people's movements in the hands of a small number of people.

Do you really want the government controlling where you go and when? With the literal flick of a switch.

ATM to control people's movement they need massive resources, officers on roads and checkpoints, think back to Covid, by surrendering your ability to travel independently, you become easy to control and manipulate.

You become weaker.

If you surrender your freedom and autonomy for "safety", you will no longer have freedom or autonomy.

And you won't be any "safer".

Onefinemess - wasn’t your whole point that cyclists should give up their freedom and autonomy for ‘safety’?

i do believe it was...

@onefinemess

ego of motorised vehicles maybe, not of cyclists.

@onefinemess

oh right and how do you propose we put in efficient public transport across the U.K.? Something that actually works?

do you have ANY concept of the ££££££ it would cost to do that, we don't all live in built up cities like london & Manchester.

@onefinemess it's not just a hobby, it's a mode of transport. I cycle to do as many bits & pieces as I can. It keeps my car off the road as much as possible. Better for my bank account, better for the environment & better for my health.

im sorry you seem unable to comprehend those basic facts.

Roade are for motorised vehicles, not cyclists.

What about pedestrians? Around here there are no footpaths beside the roads.

Should walking to get from A to B now be classed as hobby and restricted to public parks and paid play areas?

@onefinemess

Do be serious.

i don't want to ride cycle tracks or go off roading.

I ride to do errands.
I ride for pleasure and when I do, I chose somewhere nice to ride or to ride to. Not the same bloody 'track' time & time again.

Jet Skiers kill people, they should be made to ride in specially built pools.

(not actually serious as I like to ride jet skis too)

And the link between emissions and deaths has not been proven.

I presume you would also say the link between tobacco smoking and deaths hasn't been proven.

There is a summary of the evidence linking air pollution (including vehicle emissions) to a range of health issues, including premature deaths, here:
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-04/Imperial%20College%20London%20Projects%20-%20impacts%20of%20air%20pollution%20across%20the%20life%20course%20%E2%80%93%20evidence%20highlight%20note.pdf.

@onefinemess

whats with you & EGO???

what on Earth does 'ego' have to do with cycling or walking?

With efficient public transport, we could clearly get rid of private cars.

Oh great idea. How do you propose to make it efficient for everyone as it has to run to a timetable? How is it efficient for me to get the train to work and have a half hour walk either end when I can drive in 20 minutes? How efficient is it for me to take the bus and be on it for over an hour for the same journey? I don't doubt it works for some people though but public transport isn't ever going to suit everyone.

@onefinemess

'Society has moved on from cycling'

what is this crap you're spouting??

How about we ban all road vehicles, except essential ones like emergency vehicles and delivery lorries? Everyone else, like you, can just take the bus ( as you suggested for cyclists, if it’s good enough for them, it’s surely good enough for you?).

Roads will be quieter, safer and so more people can cycle which is better for their health (being sedentary in cars is bad for health) and the environment.

Very true but other countries have improved public transport and have reduced reliance on the car.

But we seem to be going backwards, we need to reverse this trend, make roads safer for non vehicular traffic inc pedestrians, improve the nations health and our air quality.

@onefinemess

a bicycle isn't a form of transport??

you really have lost the plot.

Every time I think our council members & govt couldn't be any more stupid, I get reminded that they actually could.

With cars going electric, the health issues around vehicle exhaust are disappearing.

The fact that are cities are crowded without adequate width on the roads to separate all modes of transport remains an issue. Space to park individual cars remains an issue.

Cycling is definitely a mode of transportation within cities and a health benefit for those who can access it.

But, cycling is not inclusive. It doesn’t work for a mum who has to drag her young children with her on a grocery shop. It doesn’t work for the frail, or the elderly. So it is not a solution for all, but will always be a niche choice for healthy adults, going a short to medium distance. The question is, given the zero-sum of road space, how much do we allocate to cars, buses, delivery lorries and cyclists. We simply must share.

This is where we get into a web of complex issues. When I’ve visited my company’s office abroad, they are almost all in big cities. Nearly all employees take public transport, walk or cycle to work. In the UK all of the offices are located on business or industrial parks off the motorway network. My office is located in a deprived council area and the business park generates some much-needed cash for that council. The problem is that everyone needs to drive to get there.

I’ve been looking at jobs recently and the number that are out-of-town dwarves city locations. I live five minutes’ walk away from fast public transport into the city centre, but that’s not where the jobs are.