OMFG Children being kidnapped from Home Office Hotel

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Children kidnapped from Home Office hotel

"A whistleblower, who works for Home Office, describes children being abducted off the street outside the hotel and bundled into cars".

How is this not top news story?? Those poor children.

This

Anyone who’s ever bought illegal drugs: you’re paying for this to happen.

@MarshaBradyo Look, we agree that foster homes, although an
n essential step, are looking at the wrong end of the problem at first. What needs to be tackled immediately is the hold that the criminal gangs have. Why are they being allowed to stay and flourish in the UK?

Part of the problem is not having a modern slavery commissioner, and the government having changed the modern slavery remit which has made it harder to track and tackle the criminal gangs. Do you agree that would be a good palace to start?

If you are willing that is

Just changing the address doesn’t mean a foster carer is any more equipped to deal with trafficking and delaying a pick up

Govey, Govey Govey.

Sorry don't know where that came from.

@BewareTheLibrarians Sure why answer the question when you can just go for a pathetic personal attack 😁 Speaks volumes, thanks.

This from someone who's been haranguing me for pages !

There must be a lot of mirrors in your house !

@Powderandpaint Haranguing you? I asked why you’d posted an anti-immigration link on a thread about trafficking. Maybe if you’d answered that the first time we could have had a much shorter, happier conversation. You’ll notice I haven’t name called you at all, just asked if you realized the consequences of spreading anti asylum seeker rhetoric. I am very sorry if that hurt your feelings.

I always think it is a sure sign that someone has lost an argument if they resort to name calling. Do you agree @Powderandpaint

You are doing a sterling job @BewareTheLibrarians, but some people made their mind up about “foreigners” long before this thread. No facts or experience will counter the hatred which exists just below the surface for those people. They just don’t care that these children have been kidnapped by abusive gangs.

@jgw1 I always think it is a sure sign that someone has lost an argument if they resort to name calling. Do you agree

I don't really care what you think and am surprised you are bothered what I think.🤔
Why don't you go back to the discussion?

I am deeply interested in what you think.

Would you agree that part of the solution to the current refugee crisis would be to increase the availability of safe routes for refugees to come to the UK?

Ok so we’re agreeing fostering and care homes aren’t easy solutions. The reality of ensuring other dc are safe and the trafficked teen from being picked up by gang leaders from your home address would be very stressful. Untenable imo

On the legal situation I need more information. I’ve heard a bit said on Sweden’s approach but I’d need to read more

What has changed to make it harder to track criminal gangs out of interest?

On the contrary, many London schools cannot fill their spaces - I am told that Haringey, for example ,will have to close 6 or 7 primary schools within the next 5 years or so because there are not enough children to fill the spaces. I can't imagine that the situation is much different in secondary schools.
Maybe Kent doesn't have enough school places, but lots of other areas do.
And if there weren't enough places, maybe we should show a bit of compassion and create some. We are one of the richest countries in the world.

To add to my last post it would be seriously lacking in safeguarding for any government to place age unverified males with this connection to criminal gangs in any household.

And of course they are being trafficked so they too are at risk but it is beyond the capability of the average foster carer to keep other dc safe and that trafficked teen safe.

If anyone thinks ok I wouldn’t mind could you let me know the age and sex of dc you have.

UK birth rates have been falling since 2011, so there being excess primary school places should not be a surprise to anyone, and that will translate into secondary schools soon.

@MarshaBradyo are all males who seek asylum who say they are children criminals?

Are the victims of trafikking automatically criminals in your opinion?

Jgw still going unfortunately, there’s no point in asking me questions repeatedly.

I’m not interested in your paraphrasing.

@MarshaBradyo To answer your last question, I think this sums it up well as a brief intro:

Sadly, the UK’s anti-slavery system is not currently set up to support people who are being exploited. The UK’s ‘hostile environment’ and recent legislation, such as the Nationality and Borders Act, mean people trafficked from abroad are often treated as immigration offenders, instead of being given the support and care they need to recover from their ordeal. Cuts to public services further hamper efforts to prevent exploitation, and mean the authorities often lack the resources they need to investigate trafficking cases.

www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/

So - if the trafficking victims are properly supported they can “whistleblow”/give details about the criminals that are trafficking them, so authorities can find and prosecute the criminal network. If the victims are criminalised, this is much harder to achieve.

The impact of cuts to services is well explained in that quote above.

The current Home Office decision to treat trafficking as purely an immigration issue massively weakens protection for British children caught up in trafficking, while criminalising irregular arrivals (asylum seekers) increases their vulnerability to trafficking. More on that here:

Immigration control is seen by some as a way of preventing trafficking, but while border officials can play an important role in identifying trafficking, all victims – adults or children – should not be defined by their immigration status. At the same time, poor safeguarding structures and a lack of safe, legal routes for migration to the UK means many children become more vulnerable to exploitation and trafficking while undertaking dangerous journeys. Once they are in the UK, harsh policies that criminalise irregular migration also increase children's vulnerability to trafficking and prevent them from seeking assistance from authorities.

www.ecpat.org.uk/faqs/how-can-child-trafficking-be-prevented

That link goes on to
outline some solutions. You might also be interested in the outgoing independent anti slavers commissioner’s report, and I might mention again that the government failing to install a new independent anti slavery commissioner is unlawful 😉

Ah, the thread moved on while I was beavering away. My last post was in response to this question @MarshaBradyo

What has changed to make it harder to track criminal gangs out of interest?

I thought the point of a forum was to have a discussion.

Have I missed something?

Well a discussion is two way and since I’ve asked you to direct your posts to other posters there’s no point in continuing

Just so you know I’ve found you hounding on many threads so I prefer to not continue.

Mn is big with many posters. Enjoy talking with others. Not everyone will feel like I do.

Yes I have noticed that some posters do enjoy a discussion. Not all though, each to their own I suppose.

@jgw1 Incorrect, the point of a forum appears to be to make me repeat myself into eternity because people with bad takes on immigration can’t read threads 😁

(Marsha that is not directed at you even if you did say I was up myself on another thread ❤️)

Yes, sorry, but really is a bit much to expect posters to be able to read through more than a few posts on a thread.

Beware Lol! Did I

I don’t think that now 😀although sometimes trying to take in information on these threads gets tiring as a lot in posts so I take a break and come back

@jgw1 Jokes on them, I’ll just copy paste all my posts over and over again until they’re all anyone can see. (I reject all assertions that this is currently what asylum threads look like anyway 😁)