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would others see this as weird creepy or offensive

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namedoesntmattter · 14/01/2023 15:12

i started a group due to anxiety im a guy i get on with one of the other women we dont socialise just talk in group shes called claire today i called her claire bear just because it rymed one of the other women who run the group gave claire a look like i had said something unnaceptable and claire said she had no issues with it she often gets callled it but to me it seems like people take offence too easily specially over something that has nothing to do with them and the person who its said to had no issues with it does anybody else find it a strange thing to call somebody

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Tempone · 14/01/2023 15:45

Also Claire might have been fine. But what if you don't get pulled up and start using pet names for others who don't like it?
It is inappropriate for that setting.

NewBootsAndRanty · 14/01/2023 15:45

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Tigger7654 · 14/01/2023 15:47

Unless the person you said it to/about has no issues with it ignore ANYONE else's opinion x

SilverBirchWithout · 14/01/2023 15:47

I have a first name that can easily be shortened. People I am close to sometimes use the shortened version. I prefer to be called by my full name, no big deal.
However from time to time vague acquaintances use the shortened form - loathe this, and they are always a certain type of person. Always male, using my diminutive name form to exert a slight level of control, power differential, being over-familiar. I know this makes me sound uptight but as an older woman experience tells me to be wary of male behaviour which make me feel uncomfortable.
My usual response is to reply sarcastically with an absurd diminutive form of their name. Actually names DO matter!

Pixiedust1234 · 14/01/2023 15:48

You are confusing two different experiences in two different groups/people. Lets stick to the original.

Even if Claire hated it she was probably too embarrassed to cause a scene and said it was fine. That's happens a lot to people with anxiety, and happens a lot with women in general. You were being inappropriate and over familiar.

ItWasDobbinAtTheMareAndSpare · 14/01/2023 15:49

AtomicBlondeRose · 14/01/2023 15:22

I would say that women are socialised to be polite and not cause trouble so even if she hated it there’s a strong chance she’d brush it off with “no, it’s fine! Happens all the time!”. Most women here will have done something like that to avoid a scene. Sounds like the other woman was maybe picking up on some cues that Clare was giving off by objecting to it.

This!

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 14/01/2023 15:50

Frankly I'm not surprised Claire just nodded and said she was ok being called Claire Bear, the OP sounds over familiar, a bit immature and aggressive.

Claire Bear is over familiar and a really fucking irritating and twee nickname.

DuplicateUserName · 14/01/2023 15:50

Tigger7654 · 14/01/2023 15:47

Unless the person you said it to/about has no issues with it ignore ANYONE else's opinion x

The entire point here is that the OP does not know (although he claims to) whether Claire had a problem with that or not.

Perhaps she just didn't want to 'cause a fuss' in front of the whole group.

Either way, pet names aren't really appropriate in group settings.

Mulhollandmagoo · 14/01/2023 15:52

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Snowflake2 · 14/01/2023 15:53

Oh and now I see you're defending yourself and not accepting the opinions you've asked for because you don't like them. People who like to push boundaries never do like being called out on their behaviour. Yeh my instincts were correct, you're trouble. I'm not at all surprised you've been asked to leave another group. You have an attitude problem.

she said herself though she had no issues with it thats my point it was the other person if she had said sorry dont call me that and shes the type of person to say that then fine but its not up to somebody else to say its not acceptable

It's totally fine for people to call out unacceptable behaviour for what it is, regardless of what the person it's aimed at says/thinks. This is unacceptable behaviour because it affects everyone in the group and the group dynamics and because I don't believe for one minute your story about how it just rhymes and hitting on a vulnerable person attending a group you run is a massive no no

Your entire attitude of "I did this thing and she didn't say no, so it's fine" also needs looking at. It doesn't matter what kind of person Claire is or how confident you perceive her to be. You don't go putting people in difficult situations then relying on them saying "no" as a barometer of whether or not it's fine. People can react differently in different situations. You're behaving like a predator, with this belief of yours that it's ok to push boundaries and people will stand up to you if they don't like it.

Mulhollandmagoo · 14/01/2023 15:53

namedoesntmattter · 14/01/2023 15:38

lc your not part of the group you dont know the person so dont tell me what is or isnt true see ya

I mean....you did ask us what we thought to be true or not true so????

IncompleteSenten · 14/01/2023 15:57

It's not appropriate.
It's too 'intimate', slightly patronising/infantilising and wholly unacceptable in a support group setting.

It's not a friendship situation where nicknames are common. It's on a par with your coworker calling you Claire bear in a meeting.

Can you pass me a copy of the quarterly report Claire bear?

It's not ok.

But since you are getting really nasty with everyone who's pointing this out, I suspect you don't actually care about appropriate boundaries and behaviours in support groups.

SomethingLessIdentifiable · 14/01/2023 15:57

If your attitude and behaviour in the group is anything like your responses on this thread, I absolutely believe (and can totally understand) that Claire would have been too scared or uncomfortable to tell you that she didn’t like you using a pet name for her when you barely know her.

IncompleteSenten · 14/01/2023 15:59

Mulhollandmagoo · 14/01/2023 15:53

I mean....you did ask us what we thought to be true or not true so????

We aren't supposed to tell him what we think.

We're supposed to be good girls and agree with him that it's fine.

We don't get to have actual, unapproved opinions. Come on now!

steppemum · 14/01/2023 16:02

Tempone · 14/01/2023 15:15

It's odd, it's an intimate term of endearment and I don't think it's acceptable in the setting.

I agree with this

PearPickingPorky · 14/01/2023 16:07

namedoesntmattter · 14/01/2023 15:35

if i embarrased claire she would have said so no one is rambling get over yourself

Not in a mixed-sex group situation for people with anxiety, she wouldn't have, no.

She, like most women, would have said "oh, I don't mind" to avoid making a scene, avoid making you annoyed, and to move the conversation on and try not to make any more people feel uncomfortable.

You seem like you have a problem with social boundaries, OP, would that be accurate?

GoodVibesHere · 14/01/2023 16:08

Well the name Clare bear is irritating, infantile and pathetic, so she probably just sees you as a weirdo now I should imagine.

TipsyAndTommy · 14/01/2023 16:10

Join a group for punctuation and stop harassing women. There's a thought!

Fladdermus · 14/01/2023 16:10

Maybe the reason Claire is suffering from anxiety is because she has difficulty asserting healthy boundaries with inappropriate men.

pristinesurfacesGBTD · 14/01/2023 16:15

namedoesntmattter · 14/01/2023 15:17

if the person its said to though has no issues she said herself she often gets called it why should somebody else take offence it didnt concern them if the person i said it to felt uncofortable i would have apologised but not because somebody else who i wasnt speaking to took offense to it

You are right. The other person shouldn't have got involved and should have minded her own business, whatever Claire (bear) thought.

I wouldn't worry about what the other person thinks, Claire (bear) had no issues. Some people just like to make everything about them.

Lavenderflower · 14/01/2023 16:16

I think the group facilitator was correct to bring it up. It is their job to ensure group safety, psychological safety and boundaries. There are certain behaviours that are not acceptable in psycho-social group. It seems as though you are upset about it. Have you considered broaching it with facilitator or even raising the topic in group. It potentially could be a great learning point for the group.

ManyNameChanges · 14/01/2023 16:16

namedoesntmattter · 14/01/2023 15:35

if i embarrased claire she would have said so no one is rambling get over yourself

Actually no.
Many women will do their utmost to avoid antagonising a man.
Why?
Just look at your own answers in this thread! Men often get aggressive and obnoxious….

Snowflake2 · 14/01/2023 16:17

If anyone doesn't know what DARVO is, this thread is a perfect example.

Denial: I've done nothing wrong, I'm totally innocent, it was just a rhyme not creepy.

Reversal: Worse happened to me at another group, I'm the real victim here, why are you all hating on me? You're the problem, women.

Hawkins001 · 14/01/2023 16:17

IncompleteSenten · 14/01/2023 15:59

We aren't supposed to tell him what we think.

We're supposed to be good girls and agree with him that it's fine.

We don't get to have actual, unapproved opinions. Come on now!

That seems to be the pickle with the op, agree with me or la la etc

GoodVibesHere · 14/01/2023 16:18

Lavenderflower · 14/01/2023 16:16

I think the group facilitator was correct to bring it up. It is their job to ensure group safety, psychological safety and boundaries. There are certain behaviours that are not acceptable in psycho-social group. It seems as though you are upset about it. Have you considered broaching it with facilitator or even raising the topic in group. It potentially could be a great learning point for the group.

Discussing it to the whole group would surely make Clare uncomfortable though. What like 'so, what do you all think about me calling her Clare-bear? Who finds it cute and who thinks it crosses a line?'.

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