Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413

Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas?

Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

I think mandatory licenses and training would help reduce the number of bites, and reactive dogs. And would help people understand the level of commitment needed. If there was some sort of on line resource that had to be completed, with sections on reactivity, aggression, fear, etc etc it might make people think a bit before buying.

Criminals are another matter all together, and that needs resources to shut them down.

freckles20 · Today 08:30

I've had a look and the most recent article from The Independent, plus the previous 3 all state that the breed of the dog hasn't been released.

I definitely read a report, via my yahoo feed, which stated that. The only one I can find now is SWNS, which didn't specify.

I’m afraid to take my grandkids for a walk to to the park! We need Stricter laws NOW ! All dogs must be muzzled in public, that is ALL dogs. Dogs should be on a lead unless in a special dog run/exercise area. Maybe councils should consider providing more of those. It’s very sad for the parents, but any one who has a dog in a family home with children might as well let their kids play with matches!

I weep for her. That poor girl. If it is true about the dog growling at everyone at the school gates, she should never been anywhere near that dog. Parent around or not. They are too quick, too powerful and even if she’d been right there she would not have been able to stop that attack once it started. Her mother will have that image in her head forever.

The fact the police shot the dog in situ, it must have been very agitated or aggressive. I have been on call outs to two situations. It was extremely distressing. I won’t go into details in case any family member/friend recognises it, but the police would not shoot unless they absolutely had to.

There were armed police there on both occasions, they made sure we were safe entering the properties and we were very grateful they were there.

The amount of people getting killed by dogs is tiny compared to the amount of women getting killed by men. Where is your outrage at that? Why are you more scared of the vanishingly small chance of a child you know getting killed by a dog, than a female friend being killed by her abusive partner?

It's not an either / or situation. I'm outraged by both.

So why are you not scared of all men?
You seem to be irrationally scared of all dogs due to a rare event.

Response to #BitOutOfPractice Yes I outraged at the amount of women being killed by men and the knife and gun crime on our streets etc etc but this thread was about dog attacks

Well I'm afraid of all savage, violent, poorly socialised men that haven't been adequately trained and aren't fit to be in company without restraint. Same applies to dogs. Brought up and owned by antisocial idiots with no thought for other people.

And those men kill their partners and their kids by the thousands every year.
Dogs don't.

This happened near me. The person who died was a dog walker.
All the dogs involved are being detained and investigated.
Dog walkers shouldn't be allowed so many dogs at once.

Why was this dog walker never named in the media?

Sorry was talking about the incident in the Op.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64458967.amp

Ok.. but like @Bignanny30 said this thread is about dog attacks and what is so wrong with dogs being on leads in public areas like streets or parks If it stops one attack, you are never going to be able to police what happens in peoples homes regarding powerful breeds being around children.

people need to remember how ever much you love your dog it’s not a baby it’s an animal and needs to be treated so we are not taking away it’s human rights by putting it on a lead. Go to the woods if they need a run.

and my god as the mother of three boys can we please spreading the word that all men are evil. Yes horrible horrible things happen but we should be wary of anyone we don’t know

I walked to an appointment last night and decided to get the bus back as it was dark and I wanted to avoid the park near my home as it has a lot of off lead dogs in it, which scare me a bit, so I decided to get the bus which drops me off almost opposite my house, I walked off the bus, a woman opens her front door and a big scary dog comes bounding over to me barking, she called it back, but it ignored her, so I crossed back over the road and she then took action to get him because he may have chased me and got run over, she has 2 dogs, both seem to hate people but it is just weird that the whole reason I took the bus was to avoid off lead dogs and then one is lying in wait for me outside my home. Its one of those bully breeds and I have got quite anxious as so many attacks in the news involving them recently. It was funny probably to watch but I was terrified

He was barking and running straight for me, darted out of the front door directly opposite the bus stop, I thought if I continue he will jump at me, he may have just wanted to say hello, but as his owner called him and he ignored her, I decided to cross the road away from my route home and she then ran after him to stop him crossing over too.

Where have you got that I am irrationally scared of all dogs @XenoBitch ?I'm not scared of dogs. I'm sitting three feet away from one right now. I am outraged by children being killed by dogs, and pretty fed up of everyday dog behaviour. But irrationally scared? Nope.

It is also worth noting that as well as an XL Bully there is an XXL Bully. No doubt someone somewhere is working on the creation of a triple XXXL bully.

We may as well have sabre-toothed tigers back on the streets.

The law needs to be changed to stop breeders from 'tweaking' the DNA of killer dogs and claiming that they are legal breeds

Agree! And they are mixing them with larger and more powerful and unpredictable breeds like cane corso to get that size and strength. Sometimes with cross breeding you get best of both but sometimes the worse of both, and the worst characteristics of a cane corso mixed with American bulldog or pitbull that has purely been bred for size strength and colour with no regard what so ever for the temperement is terrifying! No wonder these dogs are becoming killers. Throw in the fact most of these owners have 0 experience with large powerful breeds that are not suited for family life, can't control them and don't train/excercise them properly and this is only going to sadlyget worse.

Another XL bully today in London that bit a child at a bus stop. Thankfully ‘just’ bitten, but could you imagine?

Fucking hell.

Some examples that make me angry - One idiot thought it was good to post a YouTube of her trying to see how many times she could outstare her dog. I can imagine it biting the next person doing that. A guy with a balaclava on giving his Pitbull the energy drink prime in a crowd of others he was near.

It is not always the dog’s fault ! I have had countless times where here in the U.K. People have let their dogs approach mine WITHOUT asking if they can pet my dogs. Not all dogs want to be petted by strangers. Some children are too rough and wouldn’t know not to look a dog you don’t know in the eyes, pull, tug..toddlers especially should not interact with dogs ( one stuck his finger in my dogs nose ! ) I now give all children wide berth as you don’t know or can predict what they will do. I used to live in Switzerland. Children are given a class instruction on how to interact with dogs. You had to apply for a license and be registered and insured. You have obligatory theory classes which teach owners all the various ways that dog signal their emotions and other very interesting talks about dog behavior. You had obligatory dog obedience classes. Many breeds were not allowed full stop. There was definitely more qualifications for breeders ( no backyard inexperienced breeders) They did all this when there were one too many bites and one child died. They reacted immediately. There is also a court of vets that you can report to if someone is bitten or a dog is injured . They decide if the dog is guilty ..because it is not always a dogs fault if it is being teased or taunted or in one case let out of its yard and brought to school by some children . It’s time for the UK to ban breeding without specifications and controls and all dogs and cats microchipped, no tail docking or snipped ears and no excuses as to why or where this has happened. It is a system that works. Not everybody should have a dog and with the right laws these cases of dog bites and injuries will be minimal. How many more deaths and injuries will it take ?

Excellent post @Danja2010 - it looks as thought the Swiss practice is one we could certainly take some ideas from - particularly about the training and interaction with dogs.

Also agree that it should be illegal to own a docked/ ear-cropped dog, no matter how or where unless it was one of the few "allowed" because they are working dogs (some of which are docked to facilitate them doing their job) and then there needs to be proof that this was properly done by a qualified vet. If thees dogs were seized on sight and owners heavily fined, it might reduce the rubbish breeding and abuse of animals.

Horribly, it would mean many dogs being euthanised (because they couldn't be returned to their owners), but I don't think it would take long before people got the message and stopped mutilating/ buying them, knowing they'd not be allowed to keep them anyway.

@Danja2010 the most sensible post so far. Well since mine 😂