Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413

Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas?

Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

“his dogs love chasing people on bikes”
that was in regards to a separate dog attack, this one in the USA:

Meanwhile in the US a schoolboy lost most of his scalp after he was torn from his bicycle by three loose pit bulls.
Justin Gilstrap was cycling through his US neighbourhood when the ferocious dogs attacked his leg and head.
The 11-year-old had half of his ear missing by the time police arrived.
What crimes have been reported in your neighbourhood? Check with In Your Area.
His cousin Mason Aguilar called 911 when the dogs pounced on Friday and dragged the boy into a ditch on the side of the road.
"All I hear is screaming ‘help, help, help,’" Mason told Fox News .
"I thought my cousin was at his house playing a game, then I see him sitting there in the ditch with three dogs and blood everywhere saying 'Mason help'."
Dog owner Burt Baker reportedly told police his dogs enjoy chasing people on bicycles.
He was arrested shortly after and charged with reckless conduct in Columbia, South Carolina.

Petition for all dogs to be kept on leads in public. let’s keep our parks and beaches safe

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/621613

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"Grievous bodily harm WITH INTENT" suggests that there was something deliberate about the attack

That's what I took it to mean, that he'd sicced the dog on her.

Dog licences would make no difference because the irresponsible owners wouldn't get a licence in the same way that irresponsible owners don't get their dogs microchipped.

No one polices the microchip law so what makes you think anyone would police a licencing law?

Walking 7 or 8 dogs, as this woman was, meant that she had absolutely no control over the dogs. Having them on leads would have made no difference. If 7 dogs on leads decide to pull away from the walker there is absolutely nothing the walker could do to stop them and they could still turn and attack the walker.

There is a law in place that everyone walking a dog must be in control of it. Clearly this woman could not have had control over these dogs, but again no one was around to police the fact that she was walking dogs that she wasn't in control of.

There's no point in bringing in laws that no one is going to enforce.

There needs to be more, tougher, laws brought in with regard to breeding and selling dogs, and those laws need to be enforced; unfortunately that won't happen.

I disagree. I think we need compulsory dog training for all and if you pass then you can apply for a license, not unlike a driving licence. Once you have your dog license then you can buy/rescue a dog. It will be very expensive (just like learning to drive and buying cars which people seem to manage do) and this will go towards paying for dog wardens etc. If you can’t afford it then you probably can’t afford a dog to begin with so perhaps best to get a Cheaper pet like goldfish. Hopefully this will put lots of people off and we can have less stinky mutts running around…

Since when do the stinking low life's think about applying for a licence?? Dog gets taken so what get another from that guy down the pub.

I’m assuming no matter what was put In place so long as people owned dogs there would be dog attacks. Can’t imagine it’s possible to get to zero dog attacks. However I do wish dogs were removed quicker when warning signs are reported and I wish smaller breeds were more popular than large/strongman breeds.

you're not wrong!
but even so I still think some form of license or registration would help.
It sends a clear message that having a dog is a serious undertaking, it would be a way to make a clear distinction between good responsible owners and bad irresponsible ones, most people want to be thought of as good & decent, almost all dogs owners would want to be seen as doing right by thier pets...imo

I do wish dogs were removed quicker when warning signs are reported

I agree @Whowhatwherewhenwhynow - and not just dogs threatening people, but serious dog-on-dog attacks. Obviously there will occasionally be dogfights, but if a particular dog is persistently aggressive towards other dogs then is is causing problems.

It will intimidate other dogs and make them nervous, or even aggressive themselves , and there is a danger that someone will get bitten trying to protect their dog, or break up a fight.

Owners of these dogs need to be warned and then fined if such attacks continue.

"Tell me - if there was (say) an apparent fire in an enclosed space, and people rushed in a panic to the exit, and someone fell and was crushed underfoot and died, would you expect all of the people who pushed past them, or ran over them, to be charged with manslaughter?"

Nope. But that's a completely different situation. These dogs need to be put down and the number of dogs being walked at any one time together needs to be restricted.

@LordSugarTits I mainly agree with you.

If there's any doubt at all about which dogs were involved (or even if just which were showing uncontrolled aggression) I think they should all be put down.

Comparing to humans is illogical and as a gods life isn't comparable to a humans.

Where will the money come from then? people who cannot afford to pay for licences will either not get a dog or go under ground so to speak. The rest will carry on as normal. Maybe add the costs to the council tax so every one pays for the service.

And why say limit people to owning small dogs? they are not the next barbie toy for your kids. Sick of watching vids of small dogs left to the kids dress up time, or some lame bloke trying to look hard teasing the small dog!

But agree with the training classes being needed for the people as much as the dogs.

Training classes are next to useless as a control measure. Training a dog is a commitment for its entire life not just in the early years (and no idea how it would work prior to ownership). It would be complex and expensive to apply.

Extend the current microchipping initiatives to be mandatory, include all dogs must be registered at a vets and have 3rd party insurance as a minimum. Visible dog wardens spot checking microchips.

Ban buying/breeding excessively large/stronger breeds. Manage through the vet registration where vets check adult dogs weight/size. The breeds would then die out.

Bring in stricter ownership/walking limits per household/walker.

I have a small terrier dog. If he catches sight of a squirrel or something, he can almost pull me off my feet. There is no way that someone can control six or seven dogs, even if they are on leads.

Something has to be done about irresponsible dog ownership. I hate the trade in dogs. I hate people buying dogs as fashion items or aggressive status symbols. I think dog theft is a terrible crime which seems to be taken by the law as no worse than minor shoplifting. I hate puppy farms and dogs being bred with fashionable health problems. I hate dog fighting and the wankers who clip their dog's ears. I hate backyard breeders. I don't like the idea of dogs being destroyed so I think legislation needs to concentrate on the owners and on preventing breeding of aggressive dogs. And it needs to be enforced.

Training would help some new dog owners they would help people that really want to understand the way a dog may act a certain way. But not for all but its better to help some then none.

if it can be framed as part of responsible dog ownership then I think it will be seen as the 'right' thing to do- generally people want to do the right thing (imo)
Obviously 'underground dogs' would be a bad thing, but I'm inclined to think fewer of the would be 'weapon-dog' owners will go ahead and get one if they cant risk letting it be seen?
At least they'll be the ones getting thier throats ripped out and not passers by!
(NB, I dont want anyone to be injured or killed by dogs, thugs or not thugs. I'd like to see dog ownership taken seriously and properly controlled & regulated)

thank you, have signed!

The most aggressive dogs I have encountered have been small ones. If their dog is a problem, they just come and pick it up.... so they don't bother training it.

Lord. You’ve gotten the sugar off of your tits. We get it. You want all dogs to be put down.

Reading the responses…all must be destroyed…next to blind defending of overly aggressive dogs.

Common sense does not exist anymore. What happened to socialising dogs in the park. The unwritten rule. A dog off lead is friendly and wanting to mix. A dog on the lead should be avoided and keep your own dog away to respect that dogs space. Common. Sense.

That “tits” poster is reminding me very much of another person who used to post very “goady” views on posts regarding pets. Always aiming to be very hurtful to pet owners.

Not seen all comments as to whether this has already been pointed out , but it's been reported the lady was a dog walker and was walking 8 dogs together, she was not in control and 8 dogs is way too many they ganged up as a,pack , lots of people hire dog walkers , these dogs individually were all prob as good as gold with owners 2 of the dogs were daschunds! would you consider them dangerous? Dog walkers should be licenced and I do agree dogs should be too (again) I'd be happy to have 1. I have a rottweiler she is well trained and walks happily next to us off lead, but always on lead when necessary she has been attacked in the past by greyhounds and spaniels , but because she's a rottweiler if she defended herself she would be the one that everyone would point the finger at

@MeghanAndTheSeals what? Are you accusing me of something? I've no issue with pet owners, I just think if there's any possibility of a dog being involved in killing a person then it should be put down.

Lord. You’ve gotten the sugar off of your tits. We get it. You want all dogs to be put down.

Reading the responses…all must be destroyed…next to blind defending of overly aggressive dogs.

"Common sense does not exist anymore. What happened to socialising dogs in the park. The unwritten rule. A dog off lead is friendly and wanting to mix. A dog on the lead should be avoided and keep your own dog away to respect that dogs space. Common. Sense."

Haha, so because a dog "wants" to mix we have to "socialise" with it? Because it's reckless owner has decided it's "friendly". No thanks 🤣

That should say "feckless" but in a lot of cases reckless will do

There seem to be so many more dogs around after lockdown. I think people went out and bought them, now aren’t prepared to walk and properly train them. Just last week I saw 2 women walking 7 dogs between them, and they were struggling to manage them all.