Page 16 | Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

icelolly12 · 2023-01-13T08:32:48+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413 Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas? Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 16:24

HisRoyalWhineness · 13/01/2023 16:21

I have seen dog walkers recently walking enormous groups of dogs, either on their own or in pairs, they will have 3/4/5 leads in each hand. Obviously, it is more financially beneficial, but I do really worry about what happens when the dogs go for each other, or when they are off lead and harass other dogs. I think these group walks should definitely be limited.

I can’t imagine walking multiple dogs like that, it seems like a nightmare.

Emotionalsupportviper · 13/01/2023 16:27

One of our local dog walkers is a retired police dog handler. I've never seen him with more than 4. Other local walkers sometimes take more, though.

Lollipop999 · 13/01/2023 16:28

HisRoyalWhineness · 13/01/2023 16:21

I have seen dog walkers recently walking enormous groups of dogs, either on their own or in pairs, they will have 3/4/5 leads in each hand. Obviously, it is more financially beneficial, but I do really worry about what happens when the dogs go for each other, or when they are off lead and harass other dogs. I think these group walks should definitely be limited.

I have too and think it looks unsafe. I think it should be 2 maximum for larger dogs and maybe 3 smaller. I struggle to see how you can safely control more than that on your own and stop to pick up poo etc.

yogz1976 · 13/01/2023 16:30

leithreas · 13/01/2023 16:12

Is the Uk really that bad? I'm in Ireland and the only off-lead dogs I come across when I am walking mine are the ones pottering along beside their owners paying no attention to anything. I walk twice a day every day with my dogs and have never had a dog come running up to me or my dogs. We do have slightly different rules here than the UK in that some breeds have to muzzled when out in pubic and controlled by someone over the age of 16 on a short lead but I rarely see any of the dogs that are on that list, the most common is probably German Shephard.

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Oh God yes! My dog was attacked twice in one month whilst walking in the park.
Once by a jack russell type dog, the second time (more serious attack) was a labrador type dog. Both dogs off-lead. It's a very busy park, very popular with dog walkers. A lot of dogs running around causing a nuisance. I don't take him there anymore because I can't be bothered with the stress, and he is very reactive now.
I hear many stories from other dog walkers whose dogs have been attacked, or they know somebody whose dog was attacked.

LordSugarTits · 13/01/2023 16:30

"it may not be a tiny minority where you live, but it is in other parts of the UK."

There are vast swathes of the UK where it is as @Kevinyoutwat describes. And these places are where most of the fatal dog attacks occur. Isn't that what we're talking about? @FrangipaniBlue you're completely ignoring that point.

You want to retrain people to make them more responsible. It won't work. They don't give a fuck. I don't know why you'd want to "hear the other side of the story" from some shrieking, violent scumbag who lets her dog try and nip a toddler then threatens his mum. You sound so naive.

This is happening all over, scumbags and spice heads and big fucking untrained dogs with chains around their necks. Living in houses with babies and being dragged along to school playgrounds with their weed stinking, foul mouthed owners. They don't give a shit, the police can't do anything. Dog licences? 😂 Mandatory dog training? 😂 Reputable breeders? 😂. What a waste of breath. They. Don't. Care.

Massive estates and areas of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff. Towns like Bradford, Preston, Burnley, Workington, Barnsley, Lichfield, Walsall, Slough, Staines, Leicester, Nottingham, Rochdale. I could go on all day.

Licensing does not work when dealing with dickheads.

BitOutOfPractice · 13/01/2023 16:30

It's got worse after lockdown hasn't it: 2 million more dogs and almost as many people thinking dog walking sounds like an easy way to make money and change their lifestyle up post-pandemic

Tekkentime · 13/01/2023 16:30

justgettingthroughtheday · 13/01/2023 16:20

@Tekkentime your welcome to bugger off somewhere else then! At no stage will dogs ever be banned in the UK! Thank god!

Well I don't live in the UK anymore, still don't think it's fair for those that do to have to put up with it.

Lollipop999 · 13/01/2023 16:31

And to be fair, it could be that all of the dogs she was walking were behaving ok and they could have been attacked by a dog owned by someone else. Probably need to wait for full facts before jumping to conclusions.

BitOutOfPractice · 13/01/2023 16:33

LordSugarTits · 13/01/2023 16:30

"it may not be a tiny minority where you live, but it is in other parts of the UK."

There are vast swathes of the UK where it is as @Kevinyoutwat describes. And these places are where most of the fatal dog attacks occur. Isn't that what we're talking about? @FrangipaniBlue you're completely ignoring that point.

You want to retrain people to make them more responsible. It won't work. They don't give a fuck. I don't know why you'd want to "hear the other side of the story" from some shrieking, violent scumbag who lets her dog try and nip a toddler then threatens his mum. You sound so naive.

This is happening all over, scumbags and spice heads and big fucking untrained dogs with chains around their necks. Living in houses with babies and being dragged along to school playgrounds with their weed stinking, foul mouthed owners. They don't give a shit, the police can't do anything. Dog licences? 😂 Mandatory dog training? 😂 Reputable breeders? 😂. What a waste of breath. They. Don't. Care.

Massive estates and areas of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Cardiff. Towns like Bradford, Preston, Burnley, Workington, Barnsley, Lichfield, Walsall, Slough, Staines, Leicester, Nottingham, Rochdale. I could go on all day.

Licensing does not work when dealing with dickheads.

I was nodding along to your post then I saw you list Lichfield - the townsfolk there will be up in arms at you! 😂

NB I don't live in Lichfield or anywhere near it!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/01/2023 16:34

BitOutOfPractice · 13/01/2023 15:03

I personally am sick of the rights of dogs, and dog owners in fact, trumping the rights of everyone else. There I've said it.

My belief is that dogs have the right to proper treatment by responsible owners. Of late, far too many of them are being failed.

I disagree emphatically with the PP who stated that the majority of dog owners are responsible' The incidents reported in the media are doubtless extreme -albeit they're already happening far too frequently - but my own personal experience certainly doesn't bear this out. They're becoming a menace in my own and neighbouring villages, and there are an increasing number of complaints to that end in our local community.

I love the creatures. I've owned plenty in the past (although not since we've had DC) and adore the Scottie, beagle, retriever and border collie owned by my brother and various friends. I used to love meeting dogs when out and about and petting them with the permission of their owners. I now don't even do that anymore, having had the little blighters bound up to me because unleashed, jump up at me and coat my clothes with mud, shove their noses into my crotch, sniff at me incessantly, and I had the joy of telling one local owner who was about to let his dog defecate in my drive, not to.

The above, coupled with the ridiculous anthropomorphizing of their 'fur babies', is enough to convince me that a great many dog owners are fucking idiots. Not sorry. And of course they're bloody pack animals!

LordSugarTits · 13/01/2023 16:34

"I was nodding along to your post then I saw you list Lichfield - the townsfolk there will be up in arms at you! 😂

NB I don't live in Lichfield or anywhere near it!"

Sorry Lichfield 😂 but I witnessed such said dog owners there and now you're in my list

EdithStourton · 13/01/2023 16:34

With regards to the argument that people will ignore dog licences just like they do gun licences... Gun licensing in the USA is very lax, and they have a massive issue with gun crime. Gun licensing in the UK is incredibly rigorous, and though there is gun crime here, it is nothing like it is in America.

BitOutOfPractice · 13/01/2023 16:38

@LordSugarTits you can never go back there again - in fact I'd steer clear of Staffordshire altogether if I were you. If you do live there, move.

MaskedFan · 13/01/2023 16:40

There just isn't any infrastructure to enforce any new law etc. Noone seems to follow any rules anymore. Dogs all over beaches even during the summer when there's a no dog policy in place. No way of policing such policies, the sign posts mean nothing

LordSugarTits · 13/01/2023 16:42

@BitOutOfPractice omg. I forgot stoke on Trent. Minding my own business eating my greggs and the next thing fucking big dog alert.

I promise never to return to Lichfield 😅

LivelyBlake · 13/01/2023 16:46

Dogs should always be on a lead in public areas

I have stopped going for walks in my local woods because 90% of dogs are always off leash even when there are plenty of notices around about sheep being on the fields. They run all over the place, across lanes, running to people. The cafe now allows dogs inside which is a nightmare as there often are 2 dogs per table .

I now go to a birds reserve that does not allow dogs and it’s bliss.

Notformethankyoukindly · 13/01/2023 16:52

LivelyBlake · 13/01/2023 16:46

Dogs should always be on a lead in public areas

I have stopped going for walks in my local woods because 90% of dogs are always off leash even when there are plenty of notices around about sheep being on the fields. They run all over the place, across lanes, running to people. The cafe now allows dogs inside which is a nightmare as there often are 2 dogs per table .

I now go to a birds reserve that does not allow dogs and it’s bliss.

What you’re saying then is that dogs should always be either on a lead or at home, which would be very cruel to dogs as they need exercise - being on a lead is not sufficient exercise for most dogs.

Greatly · 13/01/2023 16:58

LivelyBlake · 13/01/2023 16:46

Dogs should always be on a lead in public areas

I have stopped going for walks in my local woods because 90% of dogs are always off leash even when there are plenty of notices around about sheep being on the fields. They run all over the place, across lanes, running to people. The cafe now allows dogs inside which is a nightmare as there often are 2 dogs per table .

I now go to a birds reserve that does not allow dogs and it’s bliss.

Well that's fine then, you've found a nice dog free place amd the dogs can continue to run free without prejudice!

BitOutOfPractice · 13/01/2023 17:03

Prejudice 😆

"canine" isn't a protected characteristic you know. It is perfectly acceptable to not like dogs. It's not compulsary.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 13/01/2023 17:06

Zanatdy · 13/01/2023 15:03

You’re so outdated with pack leader rubbish. My dog has a walker as I work, we have zero problems. One person gets killed by a dog here and people are making ridiculous suggestions. Clearly something agitated the dog (the horses maybe), could have happened with an owner just as easily as owners do get killed by their dogs too

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It's not one person being killed by a dog. It's yet another person killed by a dog. At some point the dots will have to be joined and the problem addressed rather than handwringing about the poor doggies. Dogs don't make good pets and they should not be in public places.

As for the poster saying horses are more dangerous, words fail me! People jump over big fences on them and go galloping and fall off, stuff like that. It's vanishingly unlikely that anyone will bump into a pair of marauding shetlands out for blood on the way to the local tesco express. Not so much with dangerous dogs.

Soothsayer1 · 13/01/2023 17:07

this subject is currently being discussed on LBC if anyone is interested
www.globalplayer.com/live/lbc/uk/

Notformethankyoukindly · 13/01/2023 17:08

Alltheprettyseahorses · 13/01/2023 17:06

It's not one person being killed by a dog. It's yet another person killed by a dog. At some point the dots will have to be joined and the problem addressed rather than handwringing about the poor doggies. Dogs don't make good pets and they should not be in public places.

As for the poster saying horses are more dangerous, words fail me! People jump over big fences on them and go galloping and fall off, stuff like that. It's vanishingly unlikely that anyone will bump into a pair of marauding shetlands out for blood on the way to the local tesco express. Not so much with dangerous dogs.

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Dogs don’t make good pets? Seriously???

Tekkentime · 13/01/2023 17:11

Soothsayer1 · 13/01/2023 17:07

this subject is currently being discussed on LBC if anyone is interested
www.globalplayer.com/live/lbc/uk/

Thanks 👍

justgettingthroughtheday · 13/01/2023 17:15

@Alltheprettyseahorses words may fail you but horses can indeed be very dangerous even if not deliberately aggressive. I have owned horses for more than a decade and ridden from 11 months old. I have been around dogs a similar amount of time. I can tell you now I have had far more injuries from horses and more serious injuries from horses than ever from dogs.
I have numerous broken toes, concussions, broken wrist, broken shoulder. I have arthritis as a result of some of these injuries.
Horse riding is a brilliant sport but it is a dangerous one. Hundreds of people are killed or seriously injured by falling off each year. Horse bites are really nasty too. A horse pushing past you in the wrong way can do you serious harm. So yes horses are blooming dangerous!

karmalama · 13/01/2023 17:19

I think it's a perfect storm of a general sense of entitlement to do whatever the feck they want, that seems to prevail nowadays , plus a massive increase in the number of dogs post Covid, and the anthropomorphic fur baby culture that means people don't seem to have a concept of the potential risks involved.
I work with dogs and we have one 50 kg plus dog client that is bloody scarey. The owners treat him like a favoured son, they are actually terrified of him but dress it up as doing everything on his terms to be nice. They can't even get him out of the car. Probably the scariest situation I have come across, because of owners ignorance to the dangers. Just yesterday I saw on our local Facebook group they are advertising for a dog sitter, for their sweet sensitive boy, loves a tummy rub etc. Disaster waiting to happen !