Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

icelolly12 · 2023-01-13T08:32:48+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413 Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas? Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

Mamamia7962 · 13/01/2023 08:36

Very tragic incident. Difficult to comment on as that news article has little information.

GoingtotheWinchester · 13/01/2023 08:36

Dog licences. Desperate need for them so we can monitor dog ownership. Self-funding scheme so they’re expensive enough that it pays for itself. I live near a local park and since the pandemic it’s just a dog shit hole, and you run the risk of being bowled over by a dog every time you walk there. I was never bothered by dogs before but with so many untrained dogs out there now it’s a nightmare 😢🤬.

Nevermindthesquirrels · 13/01/2023 08:36

I don't know. It would be sad if leashes were made compulsory but I can't really see anything else that can be done. I'm not a dog owner but I love them. I just know I can't give the time or money that's needed into training and care and I think a lot of people are in the same situation but choose to ignore it.
There's lots of wonderful dog owners but the few are ruining it for the majority.

SnarkyBag · 13/01/2023 08:36

Sounds like it happened in a public place a with 7 dogs detained I wonder if they were in the care of a dog Walker? Just speculation I know but how bloody awful.

yorkshirepudsx · 13/01/2023 08:37

Very little info at the moment.

CaptainMyCaptain · 13/01/2023 08:39

We don't know enough to comment. They may have been her own dogs, she might have been the dog walker.

Hoppinggreen · 13/01/2023 08:39

Poor lady, horrible horrible way to die. Absolutely terrifying and probably not quick and painless.
I have no idea how we can stop this happening as the fault is squarely with the dog owners and they can have the dogs removed etc but they can (illegally) get more.
I am a dog lover and have always had them. Ours is a breed known for being soft but I have seen him defend himself when attacked by another dog and I can see how he could probably kill me if he wanted to.
Dogs are wonderful but do have the potential to be dangerous in the wrong hands

SnarkyBag · 13/01/2023 08:40

I have a dog and we do let him off lead but there’s plenty of spaces to go to where they’re no bother to the general public. If I want him to have an off lead walk I always choose quiet wooded areas or fields. Usually means driving ten or fifteen minutes out but I think it’s lazy dog ownership to just use local playing fields and parks especially if you know they don’t have perfect recall.

TakeTheEgg · 13/01/2023 08:44

This is very tragic, and happened very local to me.

MintJulia · 13/01/2023 08:45

GoingtotheWinchester · 13/01/2023 08:36

Dog licences. Desperate need for them so we can monitor dog ownership. Self-funding scheme so they’re expensive enough that it pays for itself. I live near a local park and since the pandemic it’s just a dog shit hole, and you run the risk of being bowled over by a dog every time you walk there. I was never bothered by dogs before but with so many untrained dogs out there now it’s a nightmare 😢🤬.

This.

As a shotgun owner, I and my facilities are checked every 5 years by the police. The firearms officers get to know the shooting community. They hear on the grapevine if anything is amiss. We pay so the system is self funding.

The current fashion for 'intimidation dogs' requires a similar process. Dogs need licencing and checking for where & how they are kept, and whether they are properly controlled. Also the background of the owners - eg anyone with convictions for intimidation or violence should be automatically banned from keeping such dogs. There should also be a national number for people to report dogs they believe to be dangerous, anonymously.

Megifer · 13/01/2023 08:47

There's so little information I couldn't connect this to an off lead dog problem.

And the problem with expensive dog licenses is that will punish decent owners who find their circumstances have changed and if they can't afford it there will be more rehomed, unless there is a subsidiary scheme like with vet care.

The main answer for me is harsher fines or prison sentences.

Foxywood · 13/01/2023 08:49

Imagine even witnessing it - and the police having to deal with it. Nightmarish.

yorkshirepudsx · 13/01/2023 08:53

Megifer · 13/01/2023 08:47

There's so little information I couldn't connect this to an off lead dog problem.

And the problem with expensive dog licenses is that will punish decent owners who find their circumstances have changed and if they can't afford it there will be more rehomed, unless there is a subsidiary scheme like with vet care.

The main answer for me is harsher fines or prison sentences.

There's also the fact that licenses are 'policed' by each local council - and each local council have different rules/regs.

For example with breeding, there's been licensed breeders that have 'overbred' female dogs and bred dogs too young, or dogs with serious genetic illnesses, and they've gotten away with it, because their local council had no rules about it in place. There's too much of a grey area, and not enough black&white laws to say what's wrong or right x

EverybodyAgrees · 13/01/2023 08:53

Regulating breeders and preventing the sale of dogs through Gumtree etc would help. The problem is that people are breeding absolutely monstrous animals with all sorts of problems, trying to make them bigger and more aggressive and it's very profitable. Stamping that out would reduce the number of unstable, dangerous dogs and unsuitable, clueless owners.

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 08:56

Trouble is, even with licences, people wouldn’t bother with them.

Who would police it? There’s little time and resources as it is.

What’s to stop people breeding and buying from friends?

I live in an absolute shithole. The amount of parents at the school who turn up with puppies of breeds that are going to be massive, are known for aggression. They carry them around when they are tiny, and then when they get bigger, they are just dumped in their back gardens to chew all the crap that’s there, bark all day and they complain that they are “little bastards.” Never see a vet and are just passed around from family members to friends when they misbehave too much. They never see a vet. They aren’t insured. They are bred in back gardens. No one knows they exist.

RSPCA only care if the the dog has food and shelter.

I can take my toddler to my local parks. If the drug dealers aren’t bad enough, their dogs are even worse, it’s terrifying.

There are shithole towns and areas like this all over the county filled with scumbags who are only on nodding terms with the law anyway - the talk of dog licences makes me laugh, like they would get one or give a shit.

And no one wants to say that - if you do, you accused of being a snob. But it’s true, I love it everyday, sadly, until we can sell up and get the hell out of here.

yorkshirepudsx · 13/01/2023 08:57

For now we cannot speculate, we don't know what the breeds where, what the relationship the victim had with said dogs, and all other aspects involved at the time it occurred.

All we do know is that somebody has sadly lost their life and this must be absolutely devastating for their loved ones. RIP xx

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/01/2023 08:57

in my area of France, all dogs bigger than a small terrier or lapdog had to be muzzled in public ( unless they were hunting, but that would be in a designated area, and the public would be warned as there would also be shooting).

I really think, though, that this is another problem of overcrowding. There is just not enough space in England.

JanusTheFirst · 13/01/2023 08:57

Time for all dogs to be muzzled in public and on leads in public areas.

Dreadful tragedy for the family and a horrible way to die.

SnarkyBag · 13/01/2023 08:58

EverybodyAgrees · 13/01/2023 08:53

Regulating breeders and preventing the sale of dogs through Gumtree etc would help. The problem is that people are breeding absolutely monstrous animals with all sorts of problems, trying to make them bigger and more aggressive and it's very profitable. Stamping that out would reduce the number of unstable, dangerous dogs and unsuitable, clueless owners.

I agree any arsehole can breed and sell a dog or pass on an older dog to anyone. It should be completely prohibitive for anyone other than a licensed and inspected breeder to sell puppies.

I do think owners should have to have a license and within this should have to prove a dog is chipped, vaccinated and insured.

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 08:59

*live it. I don’t love it, I hate it but we are trapped for the moment.

Wheresthebeach · 13/01/2023 08:59

Breeds like American XL Bullies need banning, dog walkers need a much lower limit on the number of dogs they can walk and they should have to be licensed in some way. I’ve had issues in our local park with walkers not in control of 5 large dogs. Saw one the other day with 7 dogs all off leash.

for large dogs, that have the strength to kill, there should be compulsory training for dogs and owners

Facecream · 13/01/2023 08:59

It could be that the young woman is the owner or one of the owners.
All dogs can bite and this could have been a case of two or more walkers with dogs meeting and dogs fighting - human intervenes etc. Not necessarily out of control dogs as such.
I’ve seen my family members pick up their little yappy dogs who actually were aggressive (one bit me severely once) when a large dog came near and that set all the dogs off.
If people want dogs (I have one) they should at the very least be informed of the breed characteristics and what not to do in certain situations

Greatly · 13/01/2023 09:01

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 08:56

Trouble is, even with licences, people wouldn’t bother with them.

Who would police it? There’s little time and resources as it is.

What’s to stop people breeding and buying from friends?

I live in an absolute shithole. The amount of parents at the school who turn up with puppies of breeds that are going to be massive, are known for aggression. They carry them around when they are tiny, and then when they get bigger, they are just dumped in their back gardens to chew all the crap that’s there, bark all day and they complain that they are “little bastards.” Never see a vet and are just passed around from family members to friends when they misbehave too much. They never see a vet. They aren’t insured. They are bred in back gardens. No one knows they exist.

RSPCA only care if the the dog has food and shelter.

I can take my toddler to my local parks. If the drug dealers aren’t bad enough, their dogs are even worse, it’s terrifying.

There are shithole towns and areas like this all over the county filled with scumbags who are only on nodding terms with the law anyway - the talk of dog licences makes me laugh, like they would get one or give a shit.

And no one wants to say that - if you do, you accused of being a snob. But it’s true, I love it everyday, sadly, until we can sell up and get the hell out of here.

This. It's not particularly realistic to think dog licences would solve anything. This is a very tragic and unusual accident.

ThreeFeetTall · 13/01/2023 09:01

Why were dog licenses scrapped before? Google says they were impossible to enforce but surely with new technology would be easier now?

yorkshirepudsx · 13/01/2023 09:03

Kevinyoutwat · 13/01/2023 08:56

Trouble is, even with licences, people wouldn’t bother with them.

Who would police it? There’s little time and resources as it is.

What’s to stop people breeding and buying from friends?

I live in an absolute shithole. The amount of parents at the school who turn up with puppies of breeds that are going to be massive, are known for aggression. They carry them around when they are tiny, and then when they get bigger, they are just dumped in their back gardens to chew all the crap that’s there, bark all day and they complain that they are “little bastards.” Never see a vet and are just passed around from family members to friends when they misbehave too much. They never see a vet. They aren’t insured. They are bred in back gardens. No one knows they exist.

RSPCA only care if the the dog has food and shelter.

I can take my toddler to my local parks. If the drug dealers aren’t bad enough, their dogs are even worse, it’s terrifying.

There are shithole towns and areas like this all over the county filled with scumbags who are only on nodding terms with the law anyway - the talk of dog licences makes me laugh, like they would get one or give a shit.

And no one wants to say that - if you do, you accused of being a snob. But it’s true, I love it everyday, sadly, until we can sell up and get the hell out of here.

And even with those that live in areas where councils require licenses for breeding/selling animals etc,
There's so much grey areas involved & there's no regulation. It differs from area to area.

A lot of self employed people who are dog trainers / dog sitters /dog walkers etc, don't actually have licenses because their local authority doesn't require them to.

and there's been cases where those working in that industry do have a license, but it's simply a case of apply for it, have an inspection, pay a fee and then they're left to their own devices.

There was a doggy daycare centre near to where I used to live, they were licensed, had a lot of customers due to this, people think license automatically means trustworthy - months down the line they were closed down and this was simply due to an employee secretly filming what went on behind closed doors. The poor dogs were getting absolutely battered by the owners.

You get good and bad licensed people and good and bad unlicensed people,

Similar to driving a car - people do the lessons, pay for their tests etc, and pass, then unless they're caught doing something illegal, more often than not they get away with it and put other peoples lives at risk every time they get into their car.

Very sad and unsettling when you think about it