Yet another person killed from a dog attack.. what is going on

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64254413

Something needs to be done...reports of dog neglect taken more seriously, harsher prison sentences... any other ideas?

Awful, awful way to die, and makes me think twice about passing dogs off lead on walks.

There's been a number of times Jack Russell's have in fact killed babies/toddlers.

you just dislike big dogs, it's in your name, almost like you're here to wind people up.

Not all big dog breeds are bad

Not all small dogs are lovely, some are cunts

Not all owners are bad

Be less narrow minded, you could ban all large breed dogs and guess what?? Dog attacks would still happen, there would be a demand for smaller dogs, so smaller dogs would be bred more, and the statistics would show that certain small dogs are the problem.

XL bully's are a current issue, prior to these being popular it was other breeds. If a different breed became popular, chances are attacks would go up with that breed too.

Most people seem in agreement that XL Bully dogs should be banned, who actually disagrees with that? Because I've never seen anyone disagree.

I don't disagree, I think there's too little known about them, those that adore 'the breed' can't tell me any history about them, they were bred simply to be big and look mean.

I don't agree with banning all large dogs tho like them below keep saying

Also @Banbigdogs2023 we still don't know the culprits of this attack, 7 dogs have been seized and we don't know the breeds

Many cases involve more than one dog. Pack behaviour? We don't know

I’m wound up because another person has died because of a dog and I’m scared of dogs off lead. I’m sick of dogs running up to my 3 year old jumping and barking. Its genuinely frightening. I’m not here to wind people up I’m here because I’m scared and wanted to share how I feel.

Oh didn’t know about Jack Russell’s. Let’s ban them too…

Ban big dogs? Would this be based on breed or size?

Breed difficult as there are cross breeds who you can't tell how big they might get.

Size difficult as dogs do get bigger/fatter...

Would both these situations require self reporting? Dog wardens going round with tape measures culling dogs on the spot if they've got bigger? Police crashing into your home to seize your crossbreed when they reach over a certain height?

big dogs are bad for the environment

So are children

Do you have children?

There's also still lots of speculation,

The reports have said 7 dogs on scene were detained, they haven't said if any were destroyed or the nature of what exactly happened. They also haven't explained how the victim sadly died.

There’s two separate issues here: the “oh he’s just playing” idiots, who post pictures on Instagram of their annoyed-looking Bully being ridden like a pony by their two year old. They are so terminally stupid that they don’t recognise when they are pissing off their dog and provoking an attack. They think it is funny. Those sorts of owners get their own grandmothers, children and their children’s friends killed within the house, but not so much random strangers.

Then you have the “hard men” you are talking about, who want their dogs to be aggressive and snap at random strangers. Those are the dogs that get out of their garden and kill random strangers, or their own owners, etc.

To be clear, both types should have their dogs taken off them, but the first group might be amenable to legal requirements for dog training, muzzling etc. obviously the second group won’t.

Sorry just saw that you have 3 year old. Humans are also not great for the environment. What a silly argument.

Exactly - no-one needs a big dog and no-one should be allowed to own a dog that’s capable of causing serious injury.

These threads always scare me, especially as I own a very nervous yappy little dog. I have to carry the K9 dog defence spray with me everywhere and can only go to places where dogs have to be kept on leads. So that’s a total of one country park nearby and even then, people take their dogs off lead.

Agree with the earlier poster that too many owners haven’t educated themselves about dogs before owning one.

The adorable young couple with their adorable baby and really quite cute spaniel puppy were adorable but clueless until another dog owner suggested they put their puppy on a lead as yes it will jump at runners and cyclists and that might be dangerous on a narrow path, not least for the dog.

All dogs are bad for the environment….I’m not sure why it’s so rarely mentioned.

Well, it's overcrowded but the whole world is

I never thought I'd say this, but yes to muzzling.

there is a big problem with dogs actually raised to be aggressive and to be an alternative to carrying a knife etc so I don't think licences are a bad idea but they need to pay for their policing too.

it's so weird to think this way, if a friendly dog approaches me, I always pet them. But I can see it's got way out of hand.

It’s a bit like the pro gun argument ‘guns don’t kill people, people do’ so we should keep guns 😂 dogs can kill. I was bitten by a well trained Labrador as a child. It was my neighbours dog and they are lovely people (parents are still friends). It ran up and bit me on the ankle (completely unprovoked).

dogs can kill people and if you look at the stats and facts the vast majority of dogs that kill are big dogs.

Well, people don't like talking about overpopulation either,
i don't knkw why.

Another shocking story.

Not unlike a gun, stronger dogs are too dangerous in the wrong hands and should never be allowed as domestic pets. Forget the licenses and insurance, they should simply be banned.

Ban breeding, all existing dogs chipped and muzzled in public and let the breeds die out.

@Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace

All dogs are bad for the environment….I’m not sure why it’s so rarely mentioned.

True but bigs dogs are worse.

I think it’s not mentioned because it’s an uncomfortable truth. It’s a bit like wood burning stoves (which are incredibly bad for our health and the environment) but people don’t think about it because stoves are cosy etc…

In the last few months there have been multiple incidents.

The worst - there was a small dog torn apart by one of those monstrosities masquerading as a 'staffy-cross' when they are clearly not anything like an adorable little staffy but are instead some kind of American XL/Pitbull. The owner was told to muzzle her dog. She hasn't, and no follow up.

A dog attacked a horse and their rider.

Multiple incidents of poorly (i.e. not at all) off lead dogs attacking women pushing pushchairs, children and other dogs. None of these were seriously injured , thankfully.

All have been reported to the police, RSPCA etc. Nothing has been done, no one has been punished, those same dogs are still wandering around.

Walking our happy little dog has been turned from a social and happy occasion into an anxiety-fuelled ordeal. Most days I drive 30 minutes away to a national trust area to walk her, but when i don't have the time and I have to walk her around this shithole...

Not even sure I should admit to this...

I've started carrying things, that legally I shouldn't, that I could defend myself and my dog with, from another dog only, when I take ours on walks. I don't see any other option except to never walk my dog locally. The RSPCA can't do anything, the police don't seem to be able to either.

And to be honest, with the size of some of the violent dogs we encounter I'd be lucky to survive even with a knife.

I really think, though, that this is another problem of overcrowding. There is just not enough space in England

Assuming you mean U.K. not England, less than 10% off the land is built on so that's a ridiculous thing to say.

I thought that too. Teignmouth council brought in a by-law that a maximum of 4 dogs can be walked by one person. Don’t know if other councils do the same.
in just the last two weeks I’ve seen dog walkers with more than 6 dogs each. One had very little control over them, they literally dragged her from the carpark through a gate where she let most of them off leads. Trouble with having 6 dogs together is they’ll act as a pack, instinct cuts in.

I believe France categorises dogs and some breeds have to always be muzzled in public , even on leads. Might be something to look at here. You have to register your dog at a vet and pay for a certificate which shows the dog’s category.

@Bibbeti

*Not even sure I should admit to this...

I've started carrying things, that legally I shouldn't, that I could defend myself and my dog with, from another dog only, when I take ours on walks. I don't see any other option except to never walk my dog locally. The RSPCA can't do anything, the police don't seem to be able to either.*

That’s a really good idea actually. I might start carrying too so I can defend my children if the worst happens.

"Nobody needs a big dog" - nobody NEEDS any sized dog if you want to talk about needs?

"I have a nervous yappy dog" - well I hate to say it, but what training and socialising have you done in order to prevent them turning into a nervous yappy dog?

Big dog or small dog, it's a lack of training and responsibility that causes the issues, not the size of the dog.

As a child I was randomly attacked by a Rottweiler. As an adult, I've been randomly attacked by a Jack Russell, and randomly attacked by a Yorkshire Terrier 🤷‍♀️

If you look into the history of certain breeds, most of them were bred for certain jobs.

Dog owners, prior to owning a dog, should put in every ounce of effort they have in researching breeds, and the temperaments and behaviours that come with each breed. The responsibility lies with them.

Prime example is when you get a low active family that go and buy a highly active dog, (regardless of size), they don't walk it enough and then complain that it's destroying their house, that's their fault for not meeting the physical needs of the dog.

Some dogs have a higher prey drive than others, and feel the need to 'chase' something, this can be satisfied by playing fetch, or using the dog as a working dog in the industry or was bred for (Jack Russell's for example, very common and a lot of people buy them as a lap dog, but originally they were bred as ratting dogs, and chances are if they ever came across a small animal or rat, they would not only chase it - but they would kill it too)

Then there are breeds that were bred simply for guarding, some of them bred centuries ago to guard vineyards and other expensive things. so they are territorial at home, bark a lot when visitors arrive, but are super soft to interact with. And a lot of them have very low activity levels, as their purpose to be bred originally was not to be active - but to wait around for an intruder.

People need to seriously start weighing up their lifestyle, and which breed would fit that lifestyle. For all sizes.