Family missing with newborn....

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www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/23233264.bolton-m61-appeal-help-finding-missing-family-newborn-baby/

Where are they? How can they go missing? Hope they are ok

Am I not understanding this correctly?

Their car caught on fire so they got out of the car and then weren't seen?

The couldn't plan the fire could they?

Sorry I have sleep apnea and feel I'm illucinatung 😬

The father of Constance, Napier Marten, has made an appeal
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/napier-marten-constance-missing-family-dorset-b2264771.html?amp

@OneFrenchEgg It appears they've had 3 previous children removed by SS, and we aren't privy to the reasons for that, but it's safe to say they have a poor track record on keeping their children safe. The aim is to find this baby before any harm comes to them, not just investigate once harm has been done. We don't want a situation where the first evidence of harm having coming to them is finding a body.

@searchingforme I think there's more to this than her class and race. Most mothers who run from SS will either

• be quite organised and leave the country before the birth, often going to Ireland
• be disorganised and go on the run at the point Constance did, but good luck getting over the border with a newborn and no passport. Usually they'll be found quickly nearby with friends and family.

It's unheard of for a mother in this situation to have this level of financial resources, in cash so they can't be traced by debit card transactions, presumably PAYG burner phones, and the ability to evade the authorities for this length of time. If any other mother managed to evade the authorities for this long with a newborn baby I think we'd be hearing about that too.

What a bloody bizarre appeal.

Yes that's what I mean about the messaging not matching. A lot of people are sceptical about children's services so won't feel inclined to turn them in if they think they see them. And the messaging about medical care has also not landed well from what I see in social media - ppl commenting it's not a crime. I suspect that's why they have released his background.

Hard disagree. Kidnap and sexual battery deserves that amount of time, regardless of age. The UK is soft. The details of the crime are horrific. Have a word with yourself.

Ordinarily I'd say a young black boy attacking a white woman in the states might have got a raw deal.

However he's clearly a dangerous adult. Which he would be after many years in jail, from such a young age.

Poor baby.

If drugs were involved, babies withdrawing are very hard to look after.

Which hugely increases the risk the baby is in. Poor wee dab.

I’ve no idea of the details of the crime, @SpacersChoice . I don’t need to have a word with myself: people will always disagree on crime and punishment.

Murder of a toddler is as reprehensible a crime as possible yet Mary Bell was permitted to parent her daughter. I do think it’s at least worthy of consideration that there is perhaps a parallel here.

@Getinajollymood I get what you're saying. It's incredible to me that a 14 year old would be put away for that long

It’s always hard with young offenders. If he’d been four years younger, he wouldn’t be of an age to be criminally responsible (in the UK, not sure about the States.) If he’d been four years older, he’d have been tried as an adult.

I don’t have the answers here - I’m just pondering.

If he'd been 4 years older he'd have probably got the death penalty so he got off lightly

This photo we have all seen is dated 2010 and is a mug shot. Clearly he is not 14 in that photo. That indicates that whilst incarcerated he has committed another crime.

What do you think?

I agree with you. It all seems quite strange tbh

Well, putting out a statement saying 'we believe that the parent(s) are an active danger to the baby' is hardly going to encourage the parents to come forward, is it? Plus being a huge breach of confidentiality.

He raped and beat up a woman. He knew what he was doing at 14. He deserved that sentence. The UK courts are usually soft on sex offenders.

Yes and could see vigilante groups being formed and all sorts

For prisoners on long sentences, I imagine they retake the photos every few years so they have an up to date one, and then another at the point of release. Like school photo day, but in a different sort of uniform. That photo was taken in 2010 so the year he was deported back to the UK.

I don't think you can read anything more into it than the prison system wanting up to date photos.

Thank you for that, I didn’t realise they would take regular photos, that certainly makes sense.

Well your first answer is because hes black.
In the US black people are doing 40, 50 years for weed possession. It's not surprising at all.

Odd appeal by the dad. "Beseech" - not a word regularly used, or a word that will likely chime with a very troubled daughter.

I imagine hard drugs are involved looking at her

Is this the same man? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287349/amp/A-voice-told-shave-head-Australia-Epiphany-heir-115m-country-estate-gave-fortune-whale-watching.html

I don’t think putting out he is a SO is going to get the results they wanted (hoping people turn on them) just been reading the comments on the daily Mail (yeah I know 🙄) and most people are still in support of them and think they should be left alone given the crime happened when he was 14 and in America where we know has much harsher sentencing, most people seem to be of the opinion on there that he has served his time and should be left alone he’s not wanted for any other crime.

Yes that’s her father. He left the estate to one of his sons and went off leaving it all behind.

It certainly seems to be an extraordinary amount of resources deployed. Is as much effort put into protecting women and babies from sex offenders where they aren’t on the run?

his past certainly explains why the public were told a few weeks ago not to approach them

Max was put in charge of the estate when Napier moved away. Connie hasn't been in contact with them for years despite being previously close to particularly max and his wife. I think he has been encouraged to speak out in her search as he hasn’t previously had any contact with her for years.