Infuriated at lack of good female role models for children

[eynewbie2023]

The likes of Kim K and Cardi B are DISGUSTING! Cardi B admitted to robbing/drugging men, there are naked photos of her on the internet and her raps are vulgar and talentless. Kim K got famous off a sex tape that is still online and shows off her excessive consumption. She also encourages impressionable women to feel bad about their bodies by lying about their own surgeries!

When i was a teen, I wish I heard about Ruth Bader Ginsberg instead of these 2 clowns

Why do you expect other people to be good role models?

A agree that Kim kardashian is not a good role model. But, I'm not she set out to be, it's a parents job to mould and educate their children on values, not a celebrity.

Kim Kardashian (well their momager did) set out to be and famous, they succeeded, they achieved the Kardashian's brand being worth millions.

I hope to raise my child to realise a fake version of yourself is not success, your looks don't determine who you are etc etc
If I felt my child was loosing their direction and aspiring to have a plastic bum and lips, I would acknowledge that I needed to revisit my parenting and spend more time rebalancing them.

There will always be bad examples in the world, it's down to a parent to guide their kids through that.

My language is not sexist-- if you want to hear some sexist language, listen to Cardi B and other rappers like her
The problem is that I have to actively search for women who are famous/have a large following and are famous for something besides physically appealing to the male gaze
Greta T, Malala etc. have far fewer followers than Kim K , Cardi B, Bhad Bhabie etc.
And notable female academics, leaders in their fields etc. have even less

Is it sexist to call out other women for antisocial/harmful behaviour?
Supporting women isn't about blindly supporting people just bc they are women.

Margaret Thatcher was strong and powerful but she is not someone who should be admired by women or anyone else bc her policies of deregulation, shrinking the state etc. was harmful to UK society and contributed to the 2008 Financial Crash

Why do you expect other people to behave well in society? Why do we have laws telling people what to do? Why is stealing wrong? Why is taking drugs wrong? Why can't I litter in someone else's garden? Why do we hate mass murderers?
Because we live in a society and our actions affect others

Someone with a large following

Someone with large following doesn't make them a role model. Is Donald Trump a role model?

This isn't the definition of a role model, at all. It might be one that you are projecting, but it isn't the actual definition.

Furthermore, you appear to be holding these two women up for scrutiny with very little actual argument other than emotion. A social media follower count is not data. Blaming an entire genre of music is quite the stretch - male rappers have been using the language Cardi B is for aeons and yet you're holding her to account for it. You're right in that she admitted to drugging and robbing clients when she was younger/poorer, as far am I'm aware she isn't advocating for it, or professing for it to be a good life choice, merely a discussion around something terrible she had done.

I'll drag her for it when we're not putting the likes of Ronaldo on a pedestal.

Your language is misogynistic, and your 'argument' is weak. It's ok for you to not like these people and for you to not want to have them as influences in your life. It's not ok for you to use your personal opinion to beat other women with; especially one like Cardi B, who has come from literally nothing.

My dds rode horses, played football and loved music. Loads of great female role models there but tbh they never wanted or needed "role models" as such, they found their own path.

Someone with a large following is a role model now?

As mum to an 11 Yr old DD I firmly believe that we have to be strong role models for our daughters so that they realise that what they see online etc is all fake. Open their minds to other strong female role models and hopefully they will then be able to take the like of the Kardashians with the buckets of salt they deserve.
You have to spend the vital formative years ie before secondary school showing girls that they need to value education and differences above fitting in and fake boobs! That way when they come across the highly sexualised homogenous images of women on social media they can challenge them.
I've brought my DD up not being scared to get her hands and clothes dirty, to look past the external appearances of people and not to give a fig if her hair looks like a birds nest because she has been on a 4 mile dog walk with mud splatters everywhere.

andrew tate has/had a large following do you consider him a role model?

Well he is actually a role model to loads of young men. Just a shit, misogynistic one.

My young daughters are surrounded by good female role models in real life, they are too young for social media but won't be long til they're looking at it. I hope I've done enough of a good job that they can follow anyone they're interested in whilst realising they don't have to aspire to be like them.

exactly my point (i think)

OP, not all girls are sitting in their rooms all day crying because they don't have a bum like Kim Kardashian. Most are getting on with their lives.

My 14 son is convinced she's KGB. 😎

For anyone looking for info on strong role models for girls then get them the book "Bedtime stories for Rebel Girls", has Marie Curie through to Margaret Thatcher (whether you agree with her or not). From politicians/scientists to suffragettes and activists.

Yes-- bc he is so high profile, certain elements of the population want to emulate his problematic behaviour

Plenty of people come from nothing: my parents came to the UK with nothing but 2 suitcases. They then won scholarships to study Mathematics at UK unis and became scientists. They never robbed anyone or resorted to sex work. To fund their academic degrees, they worked 2 jobs alongside studying and won various scholarships/bursaries. Now, they still don't take off their clothes for money and have won awards for their contributions to advancing human health.

There are plenty of awful men who are rich, famous, admired by many etc. But at least the men like Ronaldo are admired for doing something besides appealing to the male gaze through surgery and then lying about it.
Also, I think plenty of male rappers are disgusting and sexist based on their songs and behaviour but I am calling our Cardi B and her ilk bc I am talking about female role models. I don't care too deeply about male role models bc I am a not a man and I don't have any sons/family members to worry about.

Well done but it seems like plenty of people fail to bring up their daughters this way. Many of my school friends cared about looking good bc it was all they were praised for by parents/family members etc. whilst they were growing up.

I was lucky in that my parents raised me to care about being clever, helping others, being a leader etc. positive values besides being good-looking

@eynewbie2023

You are thoroughly deluded. Ronaldo is admired for kicking a ball, yes. He's also sexually assaulted women.

Like I said, your argument is baseless, bar your own emotional opinion.

as i said before there are also many shitty male role models
but at least he has talent, unlike kim k and co. who can only appeal to the male gaze

@eynewbie2023

😂😂😂 He may well have sexually assaulted women but "at least he has talent". The bar really can't get any lower.

You are absurd. Crack on with whatever objective you've got, the rest of us will carry on quietly educating our children (and teaching them how to engage in logical debate).

Yes I had a very strong role model in my own Mum who passed on that to me. I see the opposite in my MIL who judges women solely on their looks and has passed that onto my SIL. She tried doing that to my DD when DD was little and got exceedingly short shrift from me. We have always emphasised the importance of education and I'm just hoping that once hormonal teenage years hit that she will be able to keep a sense of proportion when it comes to her view of what she should value about herself.