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Is this the correct use of 'myself '?

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Cracklingfire1 · 25/12/2022 19:06

Is the the correct use of myself? I always thought myself was just used as a reflexive but Charles used it in his speech below and I'm assuming this has been proof read and agreed so must be right, if so why is it right in this example?

"I am reminded of the deeply touching letters, cards and messages which so many of you have sent my wife and myself and I cannot thank you enough for the love and sympathy you have shown our whole family."

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OldTinHat · 25/12/2022 19:30

Yay! I noticed this, this afternoon and thought that wasn't correct.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/12/2022 19:30

aprilshowers2015 · 25/12/2022 19:28

HI FRIENDS!!!
Definitely found my people here. Currently training a new team member and they keep asking clients "does that work for yourself?" And I want to fail their probation as a result.

I can only admire your restraint. I'd be contemplating 'Grammar for Idiots' as a secret santa with that bit highlighted in yellow.

thesnow · 25/12/2022 19:32

No, it grated. It's wrong. Totally wrong. And it's everywhere! Argh.

lmnabc · 25/12/2022 19:32

I wondered about it too!

On the train the conductors often say "on behalf of myself and the train crew" and I wonder how you speak on behalf of yourself 🤔

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 25/12/2022 19:34

His use of "myself" jumped out at me as well.
I do wonder if some people this reflexive because they are not confident about using "me" and "I".

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/12/2022 19:36

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 25/12/2022 19:34

His use of "myself" jumped out at me as well.
I do wonder if some people this reflexive because they are not confident about using "me" and "I".

I think a lot of it is insecurity about the rules of grammar; which let's face it, can be pretty tricky, so people default to a safe option. Drives us grammar sticklers mad, but what can you do?

I didn't expect the KING to make that sort of error, though!

Cracklingfire1 · 25/12/2022 19:40

I knew it! I was doubting myself, thinking it was a kind of archaic grammatical exception because he couldn't possibly make such a mistake, especially if he had it proof read. Disclaimer, I'm not a grammar geek so any mistakes in my own unproof read post is totally ok as I'm not going on TV in front of millions. 🤣

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 25/12/2022 19:42

Perhaps he didn't have it proof read. Charles has a notoriously explosive temper, so perhaps even if it was no-one cared to point it out. 😅

thesnow · 25/12/2022 19:45

Now it's "the King's English". It's wrong, but now so widespread it's seen as correct, more correct than "me". Me is not a bad word!

MulledWineAndMingePies · 25/12/2022 19:46

No! It's never "myself". Ever!

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 25/12/2022 19:47

I cringed when I heard it too!

WingBingo · 25/12/2022 19:48

i pointed this out and got shot down.

I feel so vindicated!

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:48

I wondered about that too. I’d have just said ‘me’, but would be interested to know what others think.

MarshaBradyo · 25/12/2022 19:50

It stuck out to me too

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:54

I wondered if he was trying to create an ambiance of intimacy by following a manner of speaking many people are more familiar with. (Me sounding wrong, curt and so on.)

Konfetka · 25/12/2022 19:59

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:54

I wondered if he was trying to create an ambiance of intimacy by following a manner of speaking many people are more familiar with. (Me sounding wrong, curt and so on.)

Yes, I thought that too. Had he used the grammatically correct "my wife and me" I'm guessing many viewers would have been indignant.

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 20:06

TheArtfulStodger· Today 19:22
I was always taught it was xxx and I, not xxx and me.

Is this old fashioned or was it a fad or something? We always got admonished for saying xxx and ME instead of xxx and I.

I am sorry if someone has already answered but it is definitely:
”They gave it to XXX and me.”
Some people think it must be wrong but it is correct. “XXX and me” are objects in that sentence.

But, you would say,
”XXX and I went to the cinema.”
In that sentence “XXX and I” are the subjects, carrying out the action.

walkinthewoodstoday · 25/12/2022 22:28

TheArtfulStodger · 25/12/2022 19:22

I was always taught it was xxx and I, not xxx and me.

Is this old fashioned or was it a fad or something? We always got admonished for saying xxx and ME instead of xxx and I.

It never ever occurred to me to say myself, that's something I've only been seeing in the last few years online.

Xxx and a I would be nominative case eg they are doing the verb. Xxxx and me would be accusative - the verb is being done to them.

newtb · 25/12/2022 22:36

Always felt the incorrect use of reflexive pronouns was typical of bumped-up officious small town clerks and characters like the verger in Dad's army. Full of self-importance

picklemewalnuts · 25/12/2022 22:39

So pleased it was t just me! And so pleased to have been right.

Perhaps he was only glancing at the teleprompter instead of reading it word for word.

Experienced though he is in many things, I don't recall him speaking directly to camera much before.

upinaballoon · 25/12/2022 22:42

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 19:48

I wondered about that too. I’d have just said ‘me’, but would be interested to know what others think.

I would definitely have preferred that he had said 'me'. Thank you for the messages sent to my wife. Thank you for the messages sent to me. Therefore thank you for the messages sent to my wife and me.
Generally I expect to hear good grammar from Charles.
I have to say that Miss Jane Austen quite often used the word 'myself' in places where I would say 'me'.

Lookingforwardtospringtime · 25/12/2022 22:56

Why doesn’t ‘My wife and I’ work?

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 25/12/2022 23:00

It should have been "my wife and me".

ScrollingLeaves · 25/12/2022 23:05

upinaballoon · Today 22:42
I would definitely have preferred that he had said 'me'. Thank you for the messages sent to my wife. Thank you for the messages sent to me. Therefore thank you for the messages sent to my wife and me.
Generally I expect to hear good grammar from Charles
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I have to say that Miss Jane Austen quite often used the word 'myself' in places where I would say 'me'

Please would you show some examples of Jane Austen using ‘myself’?

It would be interesting to see them and to try to think if she had a reason such as a portrayal of a character, or wanting to suggest some emphasis, for example, “I myself should have preferred water.“

I am sure you would have ruled out those reasons out but I’d like to see what you meant.

Wincepies · 25/12/2022 23:17

Lookingforwardtospringtime · 25/12/2022 22:56

Why doesn’t ‘My wife and I’ work?

Has been explained upthread already but once more just in case: Because if you leave out "my wife", the sentence still has to make sense.
"They sent cards to I" doesn't make any sense.

"I" is for the subject of the sentence, "me" for the object, regardless of adding another person as well (in this case, "my wife").

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