What do you think about asylum seekers being sent to Rwanda?

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Just seen on the news that some of the asylum seekers arriving here on boats will be sent to Rwanda…

Do you think this will discourage people from making the dangerous journey across the channel? Is this the answer?

Im not sure what to think about it, seems a bit random… Why Rwanda?

But I guess something needs to be done to discourage people from paying these criminal gangs to set them up with unsafe boats with the intention of coming to the UK… What does everyone else think about this?

Major typo as we are actually 25th richest….
www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-richest-countries-in-the-world.html

What would Keir Starmer do?
Can he do without the Card Factory vote?
Like Gordon Brown with his 'ignorant woman' comment (when he thought the microphones were off, batch).
Posters who ignore genuine concerns of people in Kent actually affected by the armada of small boats and lazily chuck 'racist' at every opportunity never offer any workable solution.

If we had stayed in the EU, or at least did an international European agreement we could be part of the EU process. Which is asylum seeker gets to anywhere in the EU and then can be housed, fed, and helped to apply for asylum in their EU/European country of choice. So asylum seeker arrives in Italy or Poland, they can apply for U.K. refugee visa from there while Italy or Poland is obligated to house & care for them. Once application is approved, they get a refugee visa and go to the airport and arrive here safely and enter legally. If the application is refused, they can then apply to another country in EU/Europe for asylum. The EU have legal aid to advise asylum seekers on which country most likely to approve their application based on their circumstances.

But we aren’t even asking to be part of this because of stupid Brexit.

I'm interested to know what Rwanda is like before passing judgement. The way the UK is it might be not a bad option 🤔

If..... what a completely pointless post.
Since France actually IS in the EU why don't they simply do that?

The UK needs workers:

www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/20/exodus-of-more-than-half-a-million-from-workforce-puts-uk-economy-at-risk

The average Card Factory shopper’s opinion is unlikely to be a viewpoint with value.

Eh?

"In July 2021, the UK’s International Ambassador for Human Rights raised concerns regarding Rwanda’s human rights record, specifically its rejection of the UK’s recommendation to “conduct transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture.”

Because we refused to join in, so right now asylum seekers can apply to any EU/European country EXCEPT the U.K.

Due to Brexit and us NOT joining in on this process, the EU had no obligation to house or help asylum seekers who intend to apply for asylum in the U.K.

So they just move them on and turn a blind eye when they are going to the beach in France with a rubber dinghy. Their border patrols ignore them while in French waters as well….our rescue teams often have to go into French waters to rescue them.

Our stubbornness to not work with the EU is causing these channel crossings. We could solve it by Christmas if we wanted to.

Those Metropolitans eh? Well that was 84% of the population last time I looked which is a pretty thumping majority. It also makes the average person on the street a metropolitan.

Not sure what Card Factory means in all this either

Like Gordon Brown with his 'ignorant woman' comment

It was 'bigoted woman' he said.

What nonsense. As if it wasn’t an issue for all those years we were in the EU? France were always like that.

Not sure what Card Factory means in all this either

Implying that anyone who goes in there is a thick racist.

i have lots of friends going on about how refugees aren’t coming here for a flat and a bit of money.
France is ‘safe’ so why are they, we must offer something more.
I did work in a school with a refugee family. They got school places, a house, uniforms etc. They only got food vouchers not cash which was complicated if I remember. But that must be a better option than being in a tent in France?

Maybe there should be more standardisation of a refugee package so there’s no need for people to die on boats to get something more here.

Completely inhumane.

This

Its not nonsense, the EU has done alot to improve asylum seeking/refugee processing since we left after the crisis in 2015 with the Syrian civil war.

The fact it was a shambles before we left, doesn’t mean it still is. They’ve improved things and we haven’t. And now we are in a position where they have no obligation to do anything for those who want to come to the U.K. and so they move them on.

Oh right it doesn’t tend to help - Gordon Brown a good example and reminds me of Brexit where same was said

Its not nonsense, the EU has done alot to improve asylum seeking/refugee processing since we left after the crisis in 2015 with the Syrian civil war.

Has the EU got a single voice on this? As far as I was aware, it was down to individuals member countries on how they handled asylum seekers etc.

So surely the solution is to use the money that this would require to then build more social housing. The reason there’s a shortage of social housing has bugger all to do with immigration (by whatever means) and everything to do with Thatcher selling it off to tenants.

It won’t deter people. The traffickers make too much money so they feed vulnerable people stories of how there are jobs, money, houses to be had in the UK. Legal or illegal entry into Britain matters not as they just think they’ll work, send money home and it’ll all work out. It’s a very simplistic way of thinking ime.
DP and I did a 6 month stint in Africa. In that time we were asked numerous times to get people into the UK where they’d work for us for peanuts ( e.g. a professionally qualified person offered to work as a live in maid for £1 an hour ) When we pointed out all aspects of this were illegal shoulders were shrugged with a so what attitude. Getting to Britain meant money back home for family and also status in their community.
More worryingly, I was approached on two occasions and offered a small child. It was suggested I bring the child to the UK, educate them and they would help me in the house. Neither of the children was over 4. It was heartbreaking and scary how small children could be passed on so casually.
The country we were in had poverty but not starvation, there was plenty of work in tourism as well as a growing tech industry. We met lots of families who ran shops, market stalls, supplied restaurants as well as technically and professionally qualified people, yet Britain seemed to be seen as the solution to any problems.
This was just a 6 month snapshot 15 years ago.

In case you want to educate yourself on my “nonsense”.

It’s called an application for international protection…the process by which asylum seekers can apply to any country from first EU country they come to, the EU member states can also discuss amongst themselves and coordinate if the numbers get too high for them to accommodate.
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32021R2303&from=EN

Safe routes from the EU (France) already exist, our government just refuses to join in with the EU on this which they could easily do by writing an MOU with the EU. (We would not have to rejoin).

Yes they do. They have an EU Agency for Asylum established in 2016 and they’ve been improving the process since then.

What is the problem with them being taken to a safe place where they can find work and a life until it’s safe for them to return to their country of origin?

Absolutely nothing. What makes you think that Rwanda is a "safe place"?

Here's an idea. Since the UK is a safe place, and they are here, why not just get on with processing thier claims and if they are not properly grounded, return them to their own country? The ruling has already said that the government must properly assess each individual case before sending them to Rwanda anyway, so if they have done that then they already know the answer to whether they have a claim or not. So Rwanda becomes superfluous.