How do slimming world and ww work?

[WhyamIdoingthis99]

Just interested in the concepts, thanks.

But the basic premise of eat lots of lean protein, some carbs, 1/3 plate veg, eat until satiated works no matter what your size?
I’m not a sw consultant no skin
off my nose if people do it or not. But I don’t like myths like you have to have muller lights and mug shots, have to have pasta by the bucket load, can’t eat avocado etc.

Not necessarily eat too much. Lots of people genuinely are clueless re cals in drinks, sauces, alcohol, foods marketed as healthy etc.
Not everyone who joins is overweight - lots in my group are target or healthy bmi wanting to lose a bit perhaps for a wedding or holiday. Lots come for social aspect.

This is the problem... People just make up their own rules for SW, they tell you to eat lots of the speed food, and turn to speed first, and fill your plate with ⅓-½ speed.

It's not really "unlimited pasta, mugshots and crying into your 5th mars bar"

Are you genuinely attempting to dispute that (1) the vast majority of people who join slimming clubs are overweight and (2) being overweight is caused by eating too much?

There might be a social dimension to it once you’re a member, and I’m sure that some members benefit from the support of a group, but I doubt that many people of healthy weight are joining a slimming club for social reasons.

I know people that have done really well out of slimming world.
It seems to encourage pretty sensible eating and the 'syns' and healthy extras are just another way of teaching people what a whole meal should look like.
Yes, pasta is 'free' , but it's hard to eat plates of it when it's not smothered in sauce. The food it encourages you to eat helps you to feel full.
Yes there are some people with very disorder eating who it won't suit but for people that need a simple way of learning how to eat I do think modern slimming world is pretty good.
As a pp said, a lot of slim people who are 'naturally slim' eat like a typical dieter all the time. 80% eating healthy, 20% not. It's how they live. SW seems to be a close version of this.

“(2) being overweight is caused by eating too much?”

Its not though... it’s eating too many calories, volume of food is only going to create too many calories if it’s also calorie dense food.

You don’t become overweight because you’re eating too much broccoli or lettuce.

You can become overweight eating surprisingly little, if all of it is high calorie stuff.

Whats on your plate is way more important than the size of the plate.

Oh for heaven’s sake. Does everything have to be spelled out?

Eating too much = eating too many calories. Does that really need to be explained?

In this context - yes.

Because when you’re following slimming world, you’re cutting calories by changing what’s on the plate, not how much. When your plate is 1/3 to 1/2 low calorie veg and the rest is lean proteins and complex carbs, it’s really hard not to be in a calorie deficit, even if you’re at a healthy weight.

Every SW group I have been to the leader has always looked like she needed to lose more weight than any of the members. It is just a massive moneymaking scheme, my last leader did 9 groups a day 5 days a week, the groups were packed, at least 50 people per group so you can imagine how much money she was making.

I've done both, and lost weight on both (preferred WW) and they are both cults. I became obsessed, and felt judged for having a life.

No, I’m afraid that you can’t wriggle out of this one. I’ll recap for you.

In the context of why people join slimming groups, I note that the people doing so are not ideally placed to judge when they have “had as much as they need” of a food type described as “free” when that food type, pasta, is not in fact “free” at all. They join because they are overweight. They are overweight because they eat too much.

Much in the same way that people join AA because they drink too much.

A PP claims that slimming group recruits don’t necessarily eat too much, no. They are joining for social reasons or are slim already. Not because they are overweight, no, absolutely not.

I call that out as the nonsense it is.

You chime in to clarify for us that eating a high volume of broccoli and lettuce won’t make you overweight. Thanks for that insight. Nobody would have known that without your intervention.

In a thread about drinking too much, and its effects (cirrhosis of the liver, broken veins, blackouts etc etc) would you feel the need to leap in to tell us that drinking too much water won’t cause those effects? Because it is what is in the glass that matters? Ridiculous.

It’s all explained by this, from you, further up the page. You are a SW member and are outraged that anyone should think that you ate too much, became overweight and thus joined a slimming group. You hardly ate anything, OK? You ate like a sparrow. Etc. Super defensive.

You can become overweight eating surprisingly little, if all of it is high calorie stuff.

“It’s all explained by this, from you, further up the page. You are a SW member and are outraged that anyone should think that you ate too much, became overweight and thus joined a slimming group.”

lol, no, I have very disordered eating, I definitely eat too much.

I was trying to explain why the knowing or not knowing when to stop eating feed foods isn’t really an issue.

It doesn’t suit everyone as a way of losing weight, but nothing does, there’s no magic one right way, it’s whichever one you can stick to.

Wombat you are the one picking fights and over invested.

You said 'free pasta' would stop people losing weight, and unlimited eating was why people get fat in the first place.

I dispute that. When you have as much vegetable as pasta, you can eat as much as you like. You can eat quite a lot. BUT It's still got less calories in than the family size bag of crisps and a mars bar that people may have substituted for a meal previously. It's got less calories in that the pasta in a packet carbonara chased down with a slice of cake. Less calories than many other 'meals' people will have been eating before joining.

You can eat an awful lot of foods that are not calorie dense, feel full and less inclined to polish off a mars bar mid evening.

The idea is to feel 'allowed' to eat as much as you like of a whole range of foods, so you don't feel deprived and hungry. Guess who raids the biscuit barrel more often? People who feel deprived and hungry.

When you are full of nutritious, high protein, high fibre foods, you are less inclined to get into sugar spikes and crashes, and hanker for calorie dense high fat food like cheese.

I mean come on, crisps, nuts, chocolate, biscuits, pastry, cheese, bread, butter, cake.... all restricted. When you aren't eating any of that, you can afford to eat a hell of a lot of plain pasta before getting into trouble.

Turning around the initial bad habits helps you lose a good chuck of weight. At that point, yes, weight loss slows and you need to reassess your eating. That's when you need to question whether you need less, now you are 3 stone smaller. That's when you need to up your activity levels. If you have got to that point then you've done damn well, even if you never lose another pound.

I've lost 5.5stone. In an ideal world I'd lose another 2. However at the moment I can eat pretty much what I want, on plan, with goodies whenever they are offered. The old habits that got me into trouble are pretty much reorganised away.

I have not only gone to group most weeks for 2 years, I have also changed my habits and diet, I've stopped putting on weight, I've started losing weight, and am now maintaining weight. I'm choosing between a treat now or a treat later, instead of having both. I'm leaving some foods uneaten, because they aren't as nice as something else I'm going to have later.

I've done that with the help of SW.

That's pretty radical, and it's very rude of you to dismiss it as 'eating as much pasta as you like'.

It's not a fast fix. No one says that. For it to work takes support from people around you. Some weeks go better than others. You need to be mindful about what you are doing and why, you don't lose weight by turning up- how could you?

When you rubbish it you aren't helping anyone. Different things work for different people. Could sarah do better on Noom or MyFitnessPal? Maybe.

I did pretty much everything over the years. Obsessive calorie counting didn't help me. Intermittent fasting didn't. Low carb did the first time, but I couldn't sustain it due to special occasions.
I don't rubbish those systems. Calorie counting got me into disordered eating.

Disordered eating isn't the fault of the diet, it's in those of us who suffer it, regardless of the system.

Far as I can see, they don’t. I know people who’ve been going for years 🤷‍♀️

And what weight might they now be if they weren't going, MrsSkylar?

I'm getting a bit pissed off with the rubbishing of people's effort to manage their weight.

If someone went to dance classes, or choir, but was still a very mediocre performer would you say they shouldn't bother?

If you don't want to or don't need to than bully for you. But your snide witty remarks help noone.

Slimming World is also largely run by consultants who don’t really understand weight loss. I did it a few times to lose baby weight but it stopped working as I got older. The consultant kept telling me I wasn’t losing weight because I wasn’t eating enough!

picklemewalnuts · Today 07:53
And what weight might they now be if they weren't going, MrsSkylar?

I'm getting a bit pissed off with the rubbishing of people's effort to manage their weight.

If someone went to dance classes, or choir, but was still a very mediocre performer would you say they shouldn't bother?

If you don't want to or don't need to than bully for you. But your snide witty remarks help noone.“”

Not rubbishing anyone’s efforts, thank you. Lost 7 stone myself, several years ago, after years of such “classes”. Did it by myself in the end.

I’m rubbishing organisations that exploit people with weight issues for billions in profits. .

nothing snidely or witty, thanks, observation of real people and a spectacular lack of results. It’s sad.

Or you could have an apple.

purplepencilcase · Today 08:04
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JUST LOOK AT THE FUCKING INGREDIENTS LIST FOR A HIFI BAR 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

Oligofructose syrup, cocoa crisped rice [rice flour, cocoa powder, sugar, raising agent (sodium bicarbonate), salt], milk chocolate (11%) [sugar, cocoa butter, cocoa mass, skimmed milk powder, whey powder (milk), lactose (milk), butter oil (milk), emulsifiers (soya lecithin, polyglycerol polyricinoleate), flavouring], gluten-free oats, glucose syrup, crisped rice [rice flour, sugar, rice bran, rice extract, raising agent (calcium carbonate), salt], sweetener (maltitol syrup), milk chocolate curls (6%) [sugar, cocoa mass, cocoa butter, whole mo;l powder, skimmed milk powder, emulsifier (sunflower lecithin), natural vanilla flavouring], milk chocolate flavoured coating 5% [sugar, vegetable fats (coconut, cocoa butter), whey powder (milk), lactose (milk), low fat cocoa powder, emulsifiers (soya lecithin, polyglycerol polyricinoleate), flavouring], dextrose, sweetened condensed skimmed milk (milk sugar), cocoa powder [cocoa powder, acidity regulator (potassium carbonate)], humectant (glycerol), orange sugar crunch (1%) [sugar, water, glucose syrup, concentrates (radish, safflower, lemon), natural orange flavouring, acidity regulator (citric acid), coconut oil, glazing agent (beeswax), colour (curcumin)] sweetened orange peel (1%) [orange peel, glucose fructose syrup, sugar, acidity regulator (citric acid)], natural flavourings, natural orange flavouring.

www.iceland.co.uk/p/slimming-world-hifi-cherish-me-choc-orange-bars-x-6-pack/81384.html

And these are a "healthy" Extra 🤔”

Or you could have an apple

exactly, money spinning con.

Why wouldn't a business want to make money?
SW isn't a charity, it's not the NHS, people seem offended that they provide a service and charge for it. Don't like/ need the service then don't use it.

The off brand equivalents are discussed at group too- skinny crunch etc. lots of people get them because they are cheaper. There's no pressure to buy magazines or snack bars.

I used to enjoy them as an alternative to something like, I dunno, a kitkat.

I can have the apple as well. It's an extra to keep fibre intake high.

LizBuin · Today 08:20
Why wouldn't a business want to make money?

SW isn't a charity, it's not the NHS, people seem offended that they provide a service and charge for it. Don't like/ need the service then don't use it.”

Setting up a “business” with the sole purpose of exploiting people’s insecurities, is pretty cynical, don’t you think?

You could say that about all manner of businesses. Any beautician for example. No-one needs hair removed from their body, eyebrows tattooed on, nails done etc.

At least SW helps people improve their health as well as (subjectively) looking better.

Well, isn't that a lot of businesses?

Cut your hair to look pretty, buy this make up, get these pretty glasses, this lovely dress, thisfancy whitening toothpaste, these shoes, this hair dye, those low fat yoghurts, this diet drink, that salad.....

Don’t do any of those either. Honestly. Been to a hairdresser 3/4 times in my life, knocking 60 now. Sure as hell didn’t make me feel better, looking in a mirror for an hour 🤣

I’m just odd, clearly.