School boy won't let people sit down

[Hospital2022]

Every day after school we see the same boy on the bus. He sits on a double seat and refuses to let people sit next to him he puts his leg there so no one can sit there. Several times people have wanted to sit. He won't move for anyone. Such as small children who can't balance . Elderly people. Adults have told him of on several occasions telling him to let the old lady sit down . Today he sat on the back seats. The ones where there are 5/6 seats all next to each other. He had his bag on one seat. He was sitting on the one next to it, then had his leg on the other so was taking up 3 seats . An old man asked him to move over so he can sit down . The boy refused to move several times the man asked and the boy kept refusing. The man then said im 74 years old and you won't even let me sit down you have no manners. He was a frail man. He was able to get a seat in the end. But this has been going on for a few weeks now and the boy is doing it everyday. I know what school he has to but I don't know his name or anything like that. So I can't complain to the school bas thete are over 1000 pupils in the school.

We are talking a London bus at school going home time so it's very busy.

It sounds petty when I write it but he is causing upset abd stress towards passengers.

Any suggestions ?

I have an autistic teenager who can't even get the bus to school because of the anxiety strangers around him cause. Perhaps one day you might work out that

a) violence is abhorrent - can't imagine the reaction if a man had suggested hitting a difficult strange child
b) people do mad and unsocial things for understandable reasons.

I would have grabbed his bag and coat throw them in the floor and sit down, or offer the elderly man to sit down. If the kid feels entitled to be a jerk me too.

Yep.

Riiiiight sure you would

It was a different situation, but I’ve known a London bus driver refuse to drive off until a certain very difficult and abusive passenger got off. But she didn’t, the police were called to deal with her, and eventually we got away.

I told a London bus driver that an arsehole had just sexually assaulted me on his bus and he did nothing.

Some bus drivers will intervene. Many won't.

That means it's NOT such a good idea to sit on the child, or throw water on them, or some of the other suggestions made in this thread, however annoyed you are, as those would constitute criminal acts of assault. And there would be CCTV evidence of you committing those crimes... however moving their bag would be fine

useful advice.

perhaps the best thing to do would be to tell him to move, and then when he refuses, position yourself so your arse is close to his face and fart as hard as you can

That's no reason not to try. As you say, some will intervene.

It is not against any law.

Unfortunately op I knew a boy like this a few years ago. Zero respect, actively made people’s lives harder, behaved like an animal at school and towards adults in the outside world. constant bullying of people more vulnerable than him (especially the elderly and schoolgirls). Wouldn’t be told by teachers, police etc. He’s now buried in the local churchyard because he picked on someone carrying a knife.

i guarantee you this toerag will do something similar and unfortunately he will have brought it on himself.

Bombastic nonsense
if someone murders a rude schoolboy he had it coming? “brought it on himself”

That isn't really what was said was it.
This little shit is picking fights and being an absolute asshole, someone will eventually retaliate. If he wasn't pushing people's buttons now, it wouldn't happen. If someone attacked him with something legal to carry and it killed him as a spur of the moment retaliation they would get manslaughter and I can't imagine a hefty sentence.
From what I've read, he is power hungry, narcissistic and unwilling to behave like he belongs in society. The reality is that will get him into trouble. And there are quite a few situations I can envision where thr person who did it would get into no or relatively little trouble.
Really annoys me the way people twist words. Most likely parents of someone with a child like the little thug in OP.

You'd think someone said 'Rude school boy murdered, he had it coming because he forgot to hold door open.'.
However that wasn't actually what was said.

If the child is using a Zip Oyster card, then the T&Cs require that a child gives up their seat to an adult. We found this out when someone assaulted my son on the bus because she felt he should have stood for her.

If she had asked, he would have stood for her, but she demanded he stand rather than a girl of a similar age. We called the police about her hitting him. Ask the bus driver to intervene if a child won’t give up their seat. (That said, my daughter has epilepsy and I would stand so she has a seat as tiredness triggers her seizures)

"He was ok a month or so ago. Its the last few weeks he's been doing it"

Maybe something happened to him on the bus that has caused him to start doing this? Maybe he was assaulted, maybe a bully wouldn't let him get off, maybe someone frightened him in some way and he's scared of anyone sitting next to him now. Maybe his leg is injured in some way.

What a word salad of inappropriate comments,you’ve determined an adolescent is power hungry,
narcissistic
unwilling to behave like he belongs in society.
from a post on mn. That’s quite the leap. And of course nonsense

the previous he’s a toe rag post did indeed state he’d have it coming if someone pulled a knife on him

Oh and this ➡️Really annoys me the way people twist words. Most likely parents of someone with a child like the little thug in OP. Basic attempt at provocation too, not rising to that, try harder

It is a sad state of affairs that adolescents are behaving like that, more and more so.
In Japan they focus on manners before learning to read and write etc. Perhaps we should do that here.
There are some truly awful human beings, that can absolutely include teenagers. A switch just doesn't flip on their 18th birthday when they enter adulthood.
Yes he would, and as I explained the legal system would likely agree if it were one legal to carry! Things I consider rude are not saying please and thank you, not holding the door open for someone coming behind you, that sort of thing. This is not rude. This is extreme antisocial behaviour.

And maybe boiled eggs are runny.

Agree with previous answers,take his photo and email it to his school. Schools are very keen on saying that their pupils are still representing their school,even outside of school hours. Hopefully, he'll cross the wrong person before too long,and they'll call him out on his shit.

Can't believe some people are making excuses for his behaviour!

FGS take a bloody picture. I've taken photos of local school kids being antisocial/fighting, threatened to sent it to school and its stopped them in their tracks.

It’s MN, what do you expect- The little darling must be suffering from some form of Neurodiversity.
He can’t just be an entitled antisocial bully that won’t allow an elderly man a seat.

Try and nab the back seat so he can’t hog it.

Problem is that you'd have to take the middle seat, to prevent him from taking three - which is the least safe seat on any bus, and ideally the last one anybody would take, once all the others are occupied.

Unfortunately op I knew a boy like this a few years ago. Zero respect, actively made people’s lives harder, behaved like an animal at school and towards adults in the outside world. constant bullying of people more vulnerable than him (especially the elderly and schoolgirls). Wouldn’t be told by teachers, police etc. He’s now buried in the local churchyard because he picked on someone carrying a knife.

Was he described by his woefully negligent parents in their tributes to him as "no angel, but a lovable rogue" - as if he sometimes engaged in a bit of slightly sassy banter? That's the usual pattern.

Maybe his leg is injured in some way.

Then he could easily apologetically explain that to anybody who challenged him. However, I very much doubt that his bag was injured as well....