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Ukraine Invasion: Part 35

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MagicFox · 12/11/2022 16:40

We're still here, on 35 πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

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ParsleySageRosemary · 20/11/2022 15:13

It doesn’t seem to be mentioned yet… there’s been more shelling around the nuclear plant at Zaporizhzhia. Usual claims from Russia that Ukraine is doing it themselves.

www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2022/11/20/russia-ukraine-live-ukraine-implements-planned-blackout

MissConductUS · 20/11/2022 15:59

The WSJ ran an article this morning about how advances in Kheson have changed the picture militarily. It's pretty basic but a good overview.

Ukraine’s Kherson Win Shifts Dynamics Across Whole Front With Russia - Recapturing southern city puts Kyiv’s forces in range to endanger Crimea’s supplies

Ukraine’s retaking of Kherson is rippling across battle fronts far afield, as Moscow redeploys troops to regain the initiative and Kyiv seeks to expand its recent advantage over invading Russian forces.

Russia’s retreat from Kherson, the only regional capital it gained in almost nine months of fighting, was an embarrassing setback, but Moscow appears to have safely withdrawn many of its best troops, enabling them to shift elsewhere, say military analysts.

Ukrainian troops, energized by recapturing the southern city with less bloodshed than many had predicted, have remained on the move by shelling Russian forces who left the city, while fending off a Russian offensive to the far northeast around the city of Bakhmut.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Saturday that he had discussed fighting in that region with his top officials. β€œWe are doing everything to help our heroes withstand Russian attacks,” he said on Telegram.

Even if Kyiv’s forces don’t quickly gain more ground near Kherson, their recent advance there enables them to target Russian supply lines running to the Crimean Peninsula, which Moscow seized from Ukraine in 2014. Russian military bases and civilians in Crimea rely on supplies and fresh water from the Ukrainian mainland running through territory now controlled by either Moscow or Kyiv.

Ukraine last month degraded Moscow’s ability to supply the peninsula when its forces damaged the Kerch Bridge with a fiery explosion. Moscow built the bridge in 2016 to connect Crimea directly to Russia. Now, most supplies must be delivered slowly by ship or via a single rail line snaking through southeast Ukraine, in Russian-controlled territory that could be in range of Kyiv’s artillery and drones.

The developments offer Ukraine a variety of options, allow it to press on several fronts and give it chances to capitalize on opportunities, say military strategists. Russian troops, in contrast, show signs of being disorganized and demoralized, based on social-media postings and other open-source intelligence.

β€œI think the Ukrainians should keep the pressure on the Russians to the extent they can” despite winter’s approach, said U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Wednesday. β€œIt’s clear the Russian will to fight does not match the Ukrainian will to fight.”

Ukrainian troops retook Kherson earlier this month after besieging it for more than two months largely thanks to precision artillery, such as the M142 Himars, supplied by the U.S. and other Western allies. Advancing through Kherson to the west bank of the Dnipro River, the troops can now extend by miles to the east and south their targeting of Russian positions and supply lines.

Ukraine is already shelling retreating Russian troops across the Dnipro and recently landed some special-forces troops across the wide river. Ukrainian officials haven’t detailed their military operations.

β€œIf the Ukrainians cross the river in any number, I suspect a lot of Russians will keep running,” as they did from Kherson, said Glen Grant, a retired British lieutenant colonel who has advised the Ukrainian military since 2014. β€œThe more the Ukrainians can get across the river quickly, the better it will be for them” because of apparent Russian disarray in the area, he said.

Russia’s top general justified the withdrawal from Kherson as allowing the redeployment of troops to other areas. Russian President Vladimir Putin has made a political priority of capturing Donbas, a traditionally Russian-speaking region, part of which Russian proxies overtook in 2014.

Those attacks around Bakhmut so far have achieved only small gains, observers say. Gen. Milley said Ukraine is fighting β€œa very, very successful mobile defense” in the area.

Britain’s Ministry of Defense said Friday that Russian forces near the border of Crimea and in Donbas were digging trenches, some roughly 40 miles behind front lines, β€œsuggesting that Russian planners are making preparations in case of further major Ukrainian breakthroughs.”

Ukraine’s recent recapture of Kherson and the western bank of the Dnipro River has implications beyond liberating the city’s citizens from Russian control. It gave Kyiv’s forces a position from which they can harass Russian troops and supplies on roads and rail that Moscow needs to secure Crimea.

The new positions put Ukraine’s Himars – a mobile, high-precision U.S. missile system that can launch rockets up to about 50 miles – within range of critical Russian targets, such as the cities of Melitopol and Tokmak, plus rail lines supplying Crimea.

Ukrainian special-operations forces appear to have landed on the Kinburn Peninsula last week. This sliver of land, which is largely wetlands dotted with a handful of villages, provides a strategically important site from which forces can choke access to important rivers and ports. The rivers are vital to Ukraine’s grain exports.

Controlling the Kherson area also brings Ukrainian forces closer to the canal that delivers fresh water to Crimea, potentially giving Kyiv some leverage over the Russian-controlled peninsula.

Meanwhile, the attack on the Kerch Bridge on October 8 is hindering Russian resupply efforts in the south. The bridge, built by Russia after its 2014 annexation of Crimea, provided the only road and rail route directly from Russia to Crimea. Limited bridge access could hamper logististics for Russia’s military forces in the south.

The situation in Donbas might shift as Russia moves more of its recently mobilized troops to the area or brings in soldiers from Kherson. During Ukraine’s two-month siege of the city, Russia appears to have withdrawn as many as 20,000 of its top troops there for redeployment and replaced them with recent conscripts, who were the last to retreat across the Dnipro.

β€œRussia has managed to preserve quite a lot of its best forces,” said Ed Arnold, a research fellow for European security at the Royal United Services Institute, a think tank in London.

Still, he said, as a military target, Bakhmut makes very little sense and might draw resources from defending other areas.

Increasing numbers of Russian troops in Donbas could force Ukraine to deploy more of its own soldiers and weapons there, limiting its ability to attack elsewhere. Whether an expanded Russian presence can tip the balance back in Moscow’s favor remains unclear.

β€œOne of the lessons of this war is it’s not about numbers, it’s about how you fight, and the Ukrainians have been better at that,” Mr. Arnold said.

Hitting Crimea and Russian troops in Ukraine’s south might offer Kyiv options for pressing Russia using artillery, drones or troops.

One region Kyiv might target, say military analysts, is the land bridge along southern Ukraine, stretching west from Russia to the Dnipro. Ukrainian forces could try to sever this vital Russian link by driving south around the embattled city of Zaporizhzhia, they say. Such a move would strand Russian troops to the west and isolate forces in Crimea.

Ukrainian troops have been fending off a Russian offensive around the city of Bakhmut, Ukraine. Photo: Libkos/Associated Press

Crimea itself could provide a tempting target for Ukraine. Mr. Grant, who recently visited Ukraine, said the majority of Russian soldiers there aren’t trained fighting forces and the peninsula β€œis probably the weakest part” of Russia’s territory in Ukraine.

The canal supplying water to Crimea could become a Ukrainian target, but Kyiv might refrain from hitting it, said Mr. Arnold, because doing so would hurt the area’s civilian population in a way that Ukraine and the West have criticized Russia for doing with missile and drone attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets. An outright invasion of Crimea is also more challenging than slowly choking it off, as Ukraine did to Russian forces in Kherson.

β€œThere are pretty good options now for the Ukrainians to strangle Crimea” and keep control of fresh water as leverage, Mr. Arnold said.

Were Ukraine to try pressing Crimea, Washington has indicated it won’t intercede. The U.S. has implored Kyiv not to use Western-supplied weapons to attack Russian territory.

β€œCrimea is an issue to be thought through and sorted out by the Ukrainian leadership,” said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin last week.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 20/11/2022 18:34

πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ has already delivered 2,430 generators to Ukraine!
– Der Spiegel

MMBaranova · 20/11/2022 23:31

I've been asking have you got power? communications,? work? food? etc. over the last week or so and the anecdotal picture I have is that there's a clear gradient of provision running downhill from the west to the central areas, out towards the fronts, then the formerly occupied areas (where things are in a bad way) and in the areas gained by Russia this year and still held (where it seems to be dire). Close to the front things really dip down fast.

There's a lot of joy over getting something I, in my comfort, would not get excited over. Sausage. A pastry.

I've been sent a picture of a food cupboard (mostly one thing in it, see next post) and also images of 'cakes I baked last year, but can't now'.

MMBaranova · 20/11/2022 23:42

What was I told was the most useful humanitarian food aid close to the front? 'Tinned food you can eat without heating it'.

I've been thinking about what I have in the kitchen that is in a tin and doesn't need, or at least there's an expectation of, heating. My London grandmother would have tinned fruit. I have tuna.

What takes up the bulk of the space in the food cupboard close to the front? Remember this is where there is little or no power & no or tainted reliable water supplies.

Pasta.

Not just any old pasta. Pasta from Italy. Plus a packet with Russian branding that might have an interesting, and old, history. There's a good split between shapes and flat/spaghetti. In fact the variety is commendable. I can understand why it is sent out.

Plus there's tuna.

The other tinned food has been eaten, but there's tuna and dried pasta to fall back on.

Vigneau · 21/11/2022 00:09

'Tinned food you can eat without heating it'.
Corned beef would be ideal. Significantly more fats and calories than tuna. We used to take that on exercises (and fray bentos which is OK cold).

Is Ukraine more than self-sufficient in protein? Or has the Russian invasion changed that at all?

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 00:27

We try to be prepared. Winters are quite harsh here, and we do get hurricanes. The worst in recent memory was Hurricane Sandy in November 2012. We were without power for almost two weeks.

We keep freeze-dried camping meals in sealed plastic bins. We have four bins of Mountain House assorted entrees, about 120 servings total. You add hot water to them. I've tried a few, and they're actually not bad at all.

We have a water cooler in the kitchen that takes 5 gallon/20-liter bottles of spring water. We keep five or six on hand in case the water goes out. And we have a gasoline-powered generator that will provide enough electricity to run the furnace, fridge, and most lights. We got the generator a few weeks before Sandy hit, luckily enough.

I'm always aghast when the odd power outage hits Manhattan and people pour out of the apartment blocks without so much as a flashlight torch. You have to be prepared for the worst.

Igotjelly · 21/11/2022 09:19

Lots of reports, and accompanying videos, of incendiary munitions being used in Bakhmut.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 21/11/2022 10:09

Russia really like to play with fire 🀯

Russian Aircraft Make Unsafe Overflight Of NATO Vessels In The Baltic Sea
On the morning of Nov. 17, two Russian fighter aircraft made an unsafe and unprofessional approach toward Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1), which was conducting routine operations in the Baltic Sea.

www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/11/russian-aircraft-make-unsafe-overflight-of-nato-vessels-in-the-baltic-sea/

notimagain · 21/11/2022 10:20

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 21/11/2022 10:09

Russia really like to play with fire 🀯

Russian Aircraft Make Unsafe Overflight Of NATO Vessels In The Baltic Sea
On the morning of Nov. 17, two Russian fighter aircraft made an unsafe and unprofessional approach toward Standing NATO Maritime Group 1 (SNMG1), which was conducting routine operations in the Baltic Sea.

www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/11/russian-aircraft-make-unsafe-overflight-of-nato-vessels-in-the-baltic-sea/

TBH if the distances and heights quoted are accurate then they in themselves aren't that remarkable.

Operating without attempting to co-ordinate within a notified danger area is pushing things more than a bit but it's happened before, it'll happen again, and it's not just the Russians who do it.

DesdamonasHandkerchief · 21/11/2022 12:02

Thanks. notimagain, glad to hear it's not as bad as it sounds.

Leaked FSB Letters Reveal Civil War Among Putin's Allies

https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-fsb-letters-civial-war-putin-allies-prigozhin-kadyrov-1760455

MMBaranova · 21/11/2022 15:17

I think the invasion has messed up the normal cycle of laying things away, plus of course imports, exports and food distribution. In rural areas especially it seems normal to have stocks to help get you through the winter. Back in March when I had good contact with the relatives in occupied territories west of Nova Kakhovka they were not overly bothered by short term food requirements because they had some stores still laid in, there were still foods in the stores, if rising in prices, there was power and they had not realised how the situation was going to develop. Those ones are in what's something of a market gardening area and had more of an ability to grow some of their own food than many.

My impression, and it is only anecdotal, is that supplies are not too bad across most of the country but there are real problems in areas close to the front / that were formerly occupied / are currently occupied.

Hancox432 · 21/11/2022 15:36

Haven't seen or heard from Putin for a while... Just an observation. He normally pokes his head out ever couple of weeks to speak some more shit before hiding away again.

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 15:42

My impression, and it is only anecdotal, is that supplies are not too bad across most of the country but there are real problems in areas close to the front / that were formerly occupied / are currently occupied.

I heard recently that in the occupied areas, the Russians will only give food aid to people who have obtained Russian passports. The catch is that the men who have accepted Russian passports to get food aid can then be conscripted into the Russian army.

The way the Russians have acted in the occupied areas has changed NATO's defense doctrine. The old strategy was to have a small, so called tripwire force by the border, with most forces much further back. The idea was that the larger force could retake the border towns a few weeks after the Russians were stopped. NATO has now shifted to a forward defense strategy because leaving any civilian settlements in Russian hands even temporarily, is unacceptable.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 21/11/2022 16:24

ISW Key Takeaways

ISW is publishing an abbreviated campaign update today, November 20. This report discusses the rising influence of the milblogger (military correspondent or voenkor) community in Russia despite its increasingly critical commentary on the conduct of the war. The milblogger community reportedly consists of over 500 independent authors and has emerged as an authoritative voice on the Russian war. The community maintains a heavily pro-war and Russian nationalist outlook and is intertwined with prominent Russian nationalist ideologists. Milbloggers’ close relationships with armed forces – whether Russian Armed Forces, Chechen special units, Wagner Group mercenaries, or proxy formations – have given this community an authoritative voice arguably louder in the Russian information space than the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD). Russian President Vladimir Putin has defended the milbloggers from MoD attacks and protected their independence even as he increases oppression and censorship throughout Russia.

Key inflections in ongoing military operations on November 20:

The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported on November 20 that Russian special services are planning false flag attacks on Belarusian critical infrastructure facilities to pressure the Belarusian military to enter the war in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian General Staff added that Ukrainian officials have not observed the formation of any Belarusian assault groups. ISW continues to assess that it is unlikely that Belarusian forces will invade Ukraine.

Russian and Ukrainian sources reported ongoing fighting along the Svatove-Kreminna line on November 20. Russian sources noted that deteriorating weather conditions are impacting hostilities.

A Ukrainian military official stated that Ukrainian forces have liberated 12 settlements in Luhansk Oblast since the start of the eastern counteroffensive.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed to strike a Ukrainian troop concentration in the area of Novoselivske, Luhansk Oblast. The Russian MoD previously claimed to repel Ukrainian attacks on the settlement, and this claim might indicate that Ukrainian forces advanced to the settlement.

Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and western Donetsk directions.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces continued to transfer some forces from the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River to other operational directions, but still maintain a significant force presence in southern Kherson Oblast.

Ukrainian and Russian sources reported that shelling damaged the infrastructure of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP). One Russian milblogger claimed that the shelling came from Russian-controlled territory south of the plant, but most Russian sources accused Ukraine.

Russian occupation officials may have purged the occupation Mayor of Enerhodar Alexander Volga. Some Russian sources claimed that Volga received a promotion within the occupation administration.

Russian military officials continued mobilization measures amid reports of ongoing resistance and poor conditions.

+++

⚑️ IAEA: Over a dozen explosions reported near Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.

⚑️ France sends Crotale air defense systems, MLRS to Ukraine.
France sent two Crotale air defense systems and two Multiple Launch Rocket Systems to Ukraine, French Defense Minister Sebastian Lecornu told Le Journal du Dimanche.

⚑️ WSJ: Russia to intensify attacks in eastern Ukraine after withdrawal from Kherson.
According to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), Russia’s retreat from Kherson, a β€œmajor blow for Moscow,” has freed around 20,000 troops to be redeployed to eastern Ukraine

⚑️Ukraine to investigate (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/ukraine-to-investigate-alleged-war-crimes-against-russian-soldiers) alleged war crimes against Russian soldiers.
Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Olga Stefanishyna told the Associated Press on Nov. 20 Ukraine would open an investigation into a viral video allegedly showing Ukrainian soldiers opening fire on captured Russian prisoners.

⚑️Economy Ministry: At least 5 million people lost their jobs (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/economy-ministry-at-least-5-million-people-lost-their-jobs-in-ukraine-due-to-russias-war) in Ukraine due to Russia's war.
β€œThe war is destroying the Ukrainian labor market,” said Deputy Economy Minister Tetyana Berezhna."

⚑️Shmyhal: Ukraine imports (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/shmyhal-ukraine-imports-about-8-500-generators-per-day) about 8,500 generators per day.

⚑️Times: Britain imports Russian oil worth over $230 million via legal loophole.

⚑️Belarus accuses Ukraine of military provocation on border.

⚑️Zelensky: Russia has launched more than 4,700 missiles at Ukraine since Feb. 24.

According to Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk, 2,500 Ukrainian prisoners of war were in Russian captivity as of late September.

⚑️Polish, Finnish PMs back confiscating Russian assets to fund Ukraine.

⚑️Russia has lost over 8,000 units of military equipment since Feb. 24.
The Russian military has lost at least 8,044 units of equipment since the start of the invasion, according to the Oryx analytical project. Of those, at least 4,927 have been destroyed, 198 damaged, and 300 abandoned. Another 2,619 units were captured by Ukrainian forces. The information is collected using photos, videos and other publicly available data.
The analysts believe that the actual figures for Russian lost equipment may even be considerably higher, as the report limited its findings to equipment which could be clearly verified.

⚑️Survey: Most Poles believe (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/survey-most-poles-believe-missile-incident-will-not-affect-relations-with-ukraine) missile incident will not affect relations with Ukraine.

⚑️NATO Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as β€˜terrorist state,’ (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/nato-parliamentary-assembly-recognizes-russia-as-terrorist-state-calls-for-special-tribunal-creation) calls for special tribunal creation.

⚑️Spanish police to help Ukraine investigate Russian war crimes.
Spain will send its police units to Ukraine to assist the country’s law enforcement officers β€œin the investigation into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity,” according to Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, cited by CNN.

⚑️Norway to allocate nearly $ 200 million to Ukraine to help purchase gas.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 21/11/2022 16:39

bears repeating:

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
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⚑️NATO Parliamentary Assembly recognizes Russia as β€˜terrorist state,’ calls for special tribunal creation.

"The resolution names Russia the most direct threat to Euro-Atlantic security," said Tomas Valasek, member of the Slovak delegation.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 21/11/2022 16:45

Israel is ready to respond if Iran provides Russia with ballistic missiles
The Israeli state media corporation Kan, citing the words of the head of the National Security Council Eyal Hulat, reports that Israel may provide Ukraine with ballistic missiles in response if Iran supplies Russia with its own.

Luxembourg hands over HMMWV to Ukraine, - Minister of Defense of Luxembourg FranΓ§ois Bausch.
Luxembourg is also considering the possibility of providing Ukraine with 155 mm artillery ammunition and drones.

EdithStourton · 21/11/2022 16:55

@MissConductUS
The way the Russians have acted in the occupied areas has changed NATO's defense doctrine. The old strategy was to have a small, so called tripwire force by the border, with most forces much further back. The idea was that the larger force could retake the border towns a few weeks after the Russians were stopped. NATO has now shifted to a forward defense strategy because leaving any civilian settlements in Russian hands even temporarily, is unacceptable.
That says it all, really, doesn't it?

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 18:25

That says it all, really, doesn't it?

Unfortunately, NATO isn't fully prepared to do so now. That will require building military bases closer to the border and increasing the size of our armies to rotate troops in and out of them. But it is an important change in approach.

@notimagain - Dom Nicholls, the defense contributor on the Telegraph's Ukraine: The Latest, had the same question we discussed about the 125 antiaircraft guns the PM promised Ukraine. He contacted a source in Whitehall, who told him that they were "old school flak type guns with plenty of ammunition available". I can't find anything online that fits that description after WWII. At some point they should be positively identified.

Alexandra2001 · 21/11/2022 18:36

At some point they should be positively identified

I took it to mean those Swedish tracked canons that the UK developed with Poland, can't imagine the UK has flak guns from ww2 plus 100s of 1000s of rounds surely??? ...what good would they do?

Wouldn't they be too dangerous to use against drones and useless against Cruise missiles.

Or it was a mis speak by Sunak....

notimagain · 21/11/2022 18:45

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 18:25

That says it all, really, doesn't it?

Unfortunately, NATO isn't fully prepared to do so now. That will require building military bases closer to the border and increasing the size of our armies to rotate troops in and out of them. But it is an important change in approach.

@notimagain - Dom Nicholls, the defense contributor on the Telegraph's Ukraine: The Latest, had the same question we discussed about the 125 antiaircraft guns the PM promised Ukraine. He contacted a source in Whitehall, who told him that they were "old school flak type guns with plenty of ammunition available". I can't find anything online that fits that description after WWII. At some point they should be positively identified.

Thanks..

FWIW and from memory the UK Army and Air Force retired it’s land based anti-aircraft (AA) guns and went all missile for short range air defence back end of the nineteen seventies (!!!!!) when systems such as Rapier (vehicle portable) and Blowpipe (man portable) were introduced.

I think the Royal Navy went all missile much around the same time.

Have to say If there are some forty plus plus year old AA guns squirreled away in a UK depot somewhere I’d hate to think what state any ammo is in….😱

All a bit of a mystery, wonder what will or may eventually be revealed?

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 19:15

I took it to mean those Swedish tracked canons that the UK developed with Poland, can't imagine the UK has flak guns from ww2 plus 100s of 1000s of rounds surely???

That's the Marksman system. I thought of those too, but apparently only seven were built and Finland has them all.

Marksman anti-aircraft system

All a bit of a mystery, wonder what will or may eventually be revealed?

It is a head-scratcher. The only way the ammo would still be good is if it's something that is currently manufactured, like 20mm rounds. But there doesn't seem to be an AA gun like that in the MoD locker. I wonder if the PM misspoke and Whitehall will have to issue a clarification at some point.

notimagain · 21/11/2022 19:33

MissConductUS · 21/11/2022 19:15

I took it to mean those Swedish tracked canons that the UK developed with Poland, can't imagine the UK has flak guns from ww2 plus 100s of 1000s of rounds surely???

That's the Marksman system. I thought of those too, but apparently only seven were built and Finland has them all.

Marksman anti-aircraft system

All a bit of a mystery, wonder what will or may eventually be revealed?

It is a head-scratcher. The only way the ammo would still be good is if it's something that is currently manufactured, like 20mm rounds. But there doesn't seem to be an AA gun like that in the MoD locker. I wonder if the PM misspoke and Whitehall will have to issue a clarification at some point.

Dunno….the anti-aircraft gun comment also made it into the text of the UK Gov press release..

www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-announces-new-air-defence-for-ukraine-on-first-visit-to-kyiv

I’m sure it’s probably a complete coincidence but the Army had around 120 Rapier systems at one point and is in the process of or just has replaced it’s them by a more modern system.

Oh, and BTW I did the Royal Navy a disservice upthread - they hung onto some their AA guns much later than the 70s….whether there are still any around that could be repurposed for land use?

Anyhow it’s a puzzle…

Fladdermus · 21/11/2022 19:35

Israel is ready to respond if Iran provides Russia with ballistic missiles
The Israeli state media corporation Kan, citing the words of the head of the National Security Council Eyal Hulat, reports that Israel may provide Ukraine with ballistic missiles in response if Iran supplies Russia with its own.

I didn't really understand the 'why's of this. Giving Ukraine ballistic missiles would be massive and would give them the ability to strike back at Russia itself. What is the threat to Israel that would make them take this step?

So the explaination I've just received is that Iranian ballistic missiles haven't been fully field tested and they certainly haven't been tested against the latest air defence systems. Israel does not want them to learn this lesson. Is that about right?

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 22/11/2022 09:55

ISW Key Takeaways

Two days of shelling caused widespread damage to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.

The Russian government is continuing to escalate control over the Russian information space.

Ukrainian intelligence reported that Russian special services are planning false flag attacks on Belarusian critical infrastructure in an attempt that would likely fail to pressure the Belarusian military to enter the war in Ukraine. ISW continues to assess that it is unlikely Belarusian forces will enter the war.

A Ukrainian official acknowledged that Ukrainian forces are conducting a military operation on the Kinburn Spit, Mykolaiv Oblast.

The November 18 video of a Russian soldier opening fire on a group of Ukrainian servicemen while Russian troops were surrendering has served as a catalyst for further division between the Kremlin and prominent voices in the Russian information space.

Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine amid worsening weather conditions.

Russian forces continued ground assaults near Bakhmut and Avdiivka.

Russian forces continued conducting defensive measures and establishing fortifications in Kherson Oblast south of the Dnipro River as Ukrainian forces continued striking Russian force accumulations in southern Ukraine.

Russian mobilized personnel continue to protest and desert as their relatives continue to publicly advocate against mobilization issues.

Russian occupation authorities intensified filtration measures and the incorporation of occupied territory into Russia.

+++

⚑️General Staff: Russia continues covert mobilization in occupied Crimea.

⚑️Ukraine says military operation underway on left bank of Dnipro River.

⚑️Bloomberg: Russia has lost over 90% of its market in northern Europe.
Russia has already lost the vast majority of its market in the European Union’s northern countries even before an EU embargo on Russian oil is set to take effect on Dec. 5, Bloomberg reported.
Russian oil shipments to northern Europe have fallen below 100,000 barrels a day, compared to 1.2 million barrels a day sent to the region’s ports each day in early February, according to Bloomberg.

⚑️President’s Office: Russian forces strike civilian infrastructure in liberated Kherson.

⚑️Zelensky, Macron discuss shelling of Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.
On Nov. 20, over a dozen explosions were reported near the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
While the origin of the explosions is unclear, Ukraine's nuclear power monopoly Energoatom said Russian forces had shelled the area on the morning of Nov. 20.

⚑️IAEA: No immediate nuclear safety concerns at Zaporizhzhia power plant despite severe shelling.

⚑️Polish regulator to appeal annulment of $6.3 billion fine imposed on Gazprom.

⚑️Minister: Lithuania won't supply NASAMS air defense systems to Ukraine.
Instead of sending NASAMS air defense systems and PzH 2000 howitzers, Lithuania will continue supplying ammunition to Ukraine, the country’s Defence Minister Arvydas AnuΕ‘auskas said on Nov. 21.
According to him, Lithuania has supplied Ukraine with military aid worth over 232 million euros.
On Nov. 14, Ukraine received a new batch of military aid from Lithuania, including twelve M113 armored personnel carriers, ten of which are armed with 120 mm self-propelled mortars, and two are equipped with fire control radars.

⚑️US official: 'Vast difference' between Russian and Ukrainian reactions to war crime accusations.
At a briefing on Nov. 21, United States Ambassador for Global Criminal Justice Beth Van Schaak said while Russia "inevitably responds (to accusations of war crimes) with propaganda, denial, mis- and disinformation, the Ukrainian authorities have generally acknowledged abuses and have denounced them and have pledged to investigate them."

⚑️The Guardian: Kherson residents say Russian forces dumped fallen soldiers in landfill.
Kherson residents said that Russian occupying forces had sealed off a landfill where they were dumping the bodies of fallen Russian soldiers and burning them, the Guardian reported.
According to residents, Russian trucks arrived at the site carrying black bags that were then set on fire, causing large clouds of smoke and the smell of burning flesh, the newspaper wrote.

⚑️Britain sends Ukraine advanced Brimstone missiles.
This more advanced version has double the range of an earlier version Britain already supplied to Ukraine around six months ago.
According to the Telegraph, Ukrainian troops have modified trucks to be able to launch the missiles, usually fired from the air, from long range to destroy Russian tanks.

⚑️ UK Defense Ministry: Russia concerned (kyivindependent.com/news-feed/uk-defense-ministry-russia-concerned-about-threats-to-crucial-naval-base) about threats to crucial naval base.
Reports of an attack at an oil terminal in Novorossiysk, Russia, located near a major base of Russia's Black Sea Fleet (BSF), will likely incite concerns among Russian commanders, reported the U.K. Defense Ministry.

Russian losses slightly up today. Notable that no aircraft have been lost in a while; perhaps the Russians don't dare take to the air now.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 35
Ukraine Invasion: Part 35