Boy George. What an absolute tool

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That’s it really. Total and utter twat.

Well we can’t know exactly what happened there is no camera footage. Also just think the number of times something happens when eg drunk and that person genuinely doesn’t remember? I’m not defending him because I like most people on here can’t know what happened. The conviction ,like all convictions, is on balance of evidence. We don’t need to rake it over. This is a boring pointless and salacious post.

I'm sure we are all very sorry that assault and false imprisonment convictions bore you so much. Hopefully this fabulous TV show will reach the giddy heights of entertainment required for your discerning taste.

Hey its quite common to lose looks as you grow older. This is because things happen to your body eg wrinkly skin and weight changes due to ageing metabolism. Your hair gets thinner and some men lose it. There’s a higher likelihood of illness which can also affect your looks. Some people spend a lot of money to correct signs of ageing but that can look worse. Another thing - it happens to us all! Really! It seems to offend some people. Luckily there is a bit of growing protest around this thing called ageism.

Quite. I mean you can dislike someone but on the basis of their body? Weird

But isn’t this the point - he was convicted and served his time in prison for a crime committed at a time when he was addicted to heroin - a horrific illness. It is sad that this chat is so damning of a man who has been very troubled, had mental health issues that yes led to him committing a terrible crime - but where is the recognition for rehabilitation - where is the compassion?

Not seen it. Yet. I’m sure it’s great my tv is not working at the moment I will check it out .

But I’m commenting on all the viewpoints of BGs conviction. Is the show including footage and reference to this? It’s always boring when people want to continue a conversation about some previous conviction with only media information to go on. He got a conviction, the court made a decision, right or wrong.

My comment is in response to this not BG who I always quite liked.

No, the proof required by the jury is "beyond reasonable doubt", not balance of evidence.

If you date to mention that BG was under the influence of a huge heroin addiction when the crime was committed you get accused of excusing him or being an apologist.
It’s difficult to comment without getting immediately jumped on.

*dare

Well as long as you're not trying to claim that that made it somehow OK, why would you be jumped on?

Anyway, surely it's up to his victim to decide whether to forgive or not.

It’s always boring when people want to continue a conversation about some previous conviction with only media information to go on.

And yet you want to continue boring yourself...

Well as long as you're not trying to claim that that made it somehow OK, why would you be jumped on?

Thats exactly the point I’m making. Even stating facts with no claims whatsoever you get a lecture. 🤷‍♀️

Ant of course was also in the grip of substance-abuse problems when caught drunk driving, as I imagine a lot of drink-drivers are.

It's the sheer nastiness of the details of BG's offence and the deliberate extended nature of it which cause such continued revulsion. It's not like the offences directly motivated by addiction, or a one-off loss of impulse-control which are more understandable for people who haven't been in that situation even when they're very wrong and damaging acts.

It's very difficult for those of us who haven't experienced it to imagine that drugs can change your entire personality and make a decent human being deliberately behave in such a way.

I'm not offended by him being on I'm a Celebrity, which always casts notorious people. I was very dubious about The Voice though.

It’s always boring when people want to continue a conversation about some previous conviction with only media information to go on

Well,no one is forcing you to read.

It may be boring to you, but to many people it's highly relevant and important. You only have to skip over to another thread at the moment to see a small sample of people who've been victims of assault. You only have to put on the tv to get an indication of the people (men) who's lives and careers remain largely unaffected by the crimes they've committed and you only have to open a paper to see how few sexual assaults result in a conviction.

It isn't boring to most, because it affects us all.

I'm not lecturing you. I'm simply saying that as long as you're not trying to claim the addiction somehow excuses the crime, there's nothing to jump on.

You seem to think you're being jumped on...

I was referring to past comments on past threads about BG.

Haven't seen those, so can't comment on them.

Like I said, if you're not trying to excuse the attack because of O'Dowd's addiction, it isn't an issue.

I can see how someone might try to say it without saying it, though. Especially when the victim was a sex worker. They are often assumed to have essentially consented to everything, or if they didn't, they deserved it anyway.

Boy George, who has never apologised or made any reparations in lieu of apology (that I know of), and served a paltry 4 months of a 15 month sentence for imprisoning and torturing a young man.

Ant McParlin who was shocked that he could have hurt anyone - particularly children, apologised profusely to everyone involved and paid an £86, 000 fine.

Neither behaved well, but only one expressed contrition.

where is the recognition for rehabilitation - where is the compassion?

Where is BG's compassion for the young man he brutally assaulted?

And to those saying "Oh, but he's a Buddhist" - Buddhists are just as capable of being hypocritical, self-serving, and dishonest as members of other religions, and none. Being a Buddhist doesn't make him or anyone else an automatic saint, or any more spiritual than the rest of humanity, on average.

Like I said, if you're not trying to excuse the attack because of O'Dowd's addiction, it isn't an issue.

It is an issue because people will say you are excusing it when you’ve said nothing of the sort.Which is why I’m not getting involved any further talking about his crime, just than watching him on the TV

It couldn’t be more appropriate but then I wouldn’t expect anyone who’s part of the mob to recognise that.

Well I haven't seen any of the posts you're talking about. However, if someone says "he handcuffed and beat up a young man" and you respond "he had a heroin addiction", you should probably make it clear why you're reminding people of that, because I can see why people might take it to mean you're excusing it.

Well I haven't seen any of the posts you're talking about

The threads are mostly that same whenever BG comes up for discussion TBF.

This guy?

That’s a member of the team, incidentally. He’s a dirty old man. Ugh