Opinions on teacher's behaviour before I over react...

[Namechangedforthisone287]

I have name changed, but only because I've discussed this IRL with friends so I don't want this linking back to personal medical things I've posted about recently.

DD is 12 and in year 7. This week they are doing tests in all subjects. Clearly, these should be conducted in silence. This afternoon, they have been doing a history test (DD says short test, only 6 questions) and her friend has spoken to her. DD felt she had to reply so as not to be rude. Another friend has then mouthed something to her from across the room, and DD has given her a thumbs up. The teacher has seen all of this, and has taken DD's test paper off her, and said she'll have to redo the test tomorrow in form time, by herself. He has then ripped her test paper up over the bin.

DD says she was humiliated and embarrassed as everyone was looking at her. She cried at the time, and cried when she told me about it.

Now, DD can be a chatterbox and absolutely should have got on with her test and not interacted with her friends. I can understand that it may have looked like she was cheating. But I'm really unhappy with how things were handled by the teacher. Fair enough to take her test and make her re do it, but tearing it up and making a spectacle of DD is a bridge too far in my book.

WWYD? She doesn't want me to make a fuss.

It depends. What’s the reason?

Actually, I think I’ll leave it there.

@Pumperthepumper there isn't one. You can find no logical reason whatsoever that they would physically harm another child other than the victim being an easy target. What do you do with that bully?

I’d refer them to safeguarding. Happy, well adjusted kids don’t bully.

@Pumperthepumper Yes. Yes they do.

@Pumperthepumper if your really a teacher I despair for our future I really do
And a school that never issues punishments , where is that never never land

No, they don’t. Ok @healthadvice123 you’ve see your point. I think I’ve tired of these insults now, I’ll leave you all to it.

Your daughter did something wrong in a test examination conditions and you're wanting to have a go at the teacher!!! The teacher was perfectly fine with what they did. No wonder we have so many slowflakes in this country.

The teacher was right. Your DD was out of line, you need to accept it. This is why the younger generation have no respect anymore, you need to give your head a wobble I am afraid and allow your daughter to accept the punishment

Don’t be that parent. Pick your battles.

I suspect @Pumperthepumper works in a temple which worships at the altar of Paul Dix

She interacted with two separate students, so she’s the problem here, not the other kids. Stupid behaviour on her part and she needs to learn.

The teacher sounds like a bit of an immature dick tbf. Ripping up the test paper in front of everyone was nasty and over the top. Would people be happy with their manager at work ripping up their work and binning it in front of everyone ?!

Ripping it up is OTT but surely you can't blame the teacher for telling off and sanctioning the pupil for speaking and gesturing during a test?? She really should know better. I know others were doing it too, but the teacher cannot see everything all the time. Your daughter was the one he saw and she got punished. I'm a teacher and I'd have done the same (minus the ripping!).

The teacher has ripped up the work as potentially your Dd could have been cheating and has therefore invalidated her test. Hence needing to redo it. I’m sure the teacher has better things to do than oversee one individual pupil redoing it. I guess it’s a good lesson to learn now rather than in a gcse exam.

So, @Namechangedforthisone287 , what have you decided to do ?

Sure, your 'chatterbox' daughter was only taking to not be rude. Regardless, the teachers reaction was fine, her test is trash, it's going straight into the recycling bin, how do you expect them to treat rubbish?

Your daughter may get used to it, she's in secondary now, she broke test expectations and faced consequences. Don't be so precious, at she'll know not to be 'so polite' in future test situations.

@stripyspider its not work its school its not comparable
My boss also doesn't give me detentions
The test was null and void ,

Not enforcing rules strongly at years 7-10 means that EOs end up having to submit reports to JCQ for cheating in Year 11, 12 and 13. It means that people fail driving theory tests, IELTS, CITB Health & Safety, Life in the UK and any number of other tests which their livelihood/residency depends upon. And they're not happy about it then.

The time DP actually tore up a paper due to a small cohort doing this despite having been reminded repeatedly that the exams had to be conducted in absolute silence, he was totally backed up by his employer - and the shock on the faces of the 18 year olds who had clearly never been faced with the consequences of their behaviour before was obvious. They had to pay for resits - and were meek as little mice when they came in next time.

Can we not punish children and get to the bottom of their behaviour? You can do both.

If a child has been bullied, ultimately they are the victim and they are the priority. They need to see they are safe and the bully is being dealt with.

Often people bully because they are insecurepr they like to feel better than others that doesn't require a fucking safeguarding referral.

I think her punishment fits the crime so I would leave it at that. She did something wrong and was proportionately punished.

Exactly! However she is unlikely to learn the valuable lesson if Mummy is not supporting the school's action when her daughter cheated in an exam.

Pour encourager les autres. They will see the consequences of cheating and hopefully remember.

The ripping up is unnecessary and very old school.

But I do agree with her doing it again. A valuable lesson.

Thinking like this is part of tye problem

You are on the one hand suggesting that children are just like adults, and deserve the same rights and respect as an adult, but at the same time they are helpless innocent children who can't be expected to follow rules, and if they behave badly then it must be down to some special circumstance like unhappy home life or because they just want to express themselves or whatever.

If you attended a work meeting and spent your time giggling, calling out across the room to others, talking over your boss, standing up midway through and ostentatiously demanding to use the toilet, then poking other people in the back on your way out of the room, how long would your boss put up with that before firing you? Because that's what teachers have to deal with all the time.