Thinks I only read about on MN

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I know this has been done a million times before, I think I may have even started a thread about it some time ago but I'm feeling irritable this morning so here we go;

"Put on your big girl pants" - I really truly fucking hate this saying. Does anyone else picture Bridget Jones with her big pants? It's such a stupid saying. Can you imagine anyone saying to a man "put on your big y-fronts"? No, of course not. It's utter meaningless. Just give whatever advice you are giving, if you have any, no need to preface it with stupid shit.

"He/She is an adult" - sometimes referring to an 18 year old (so just about, legally, an adult), sometimes referring to a person who is or may be upset by a situation. Surely we are all upset by things at times, not always reasonably but we are just human, most of us struggle at times, doesn't mean we are not adults.

"Man-child" - FFS, another daft one.

One that really and truly grates on me - "He/She is being manipulative" again referring to someone being upset by a person or situation. I have read this in relation to a parent being upset by their (adult) child moving overseas. In my world certainly, it would be acceptable for the parent to be upset, to cry even, at the loss of their child / grandchildren. Even to say "I wish you wouldn't go", it's not being manipulative, it's just being human.

"It makes my teeth itch" - it doesn't..

Also, and I know I'm a cow, but my inner response to many AIBU's is just "For fuck's sake, of course you are not being unreasonable, you know you're not. If you just want support or for people to agree with you then just say that."

There, that's helped. A little.

I was going to say that. I only read about it on MN.
Fair enough - women's rights are at stake but TG people will not disappear/stop identifying as such just because of the GC hatred.
Come up with practical solutions for women that do not deny the existence of something (people) that already exists.

not gonna swear but you are talking twaddle same old same old so you now think I hate women Jesus wept yes you r in a cult I am a woman I don’t hate womenn

I was going to say that. I only read about it on MN.
Fair enough - women's rights are at stake but TG people will not disappear/stop identifying as such just because of the GC hatred.
Come up with practical solutions for women that do not deny the existence of something (people) that already exists.

Third spaces would do the trick but that's not enough for people who want males to have everything.

Not wanting to eat home made food in case the person preparing it hasn't washed their hands/puts pet bowls in the dishwasher/lets their cats wash their bum on the work surface or lets small children cough into the food.

Ive literally never considered any of the above and if someone offers me something home made my only 2 considerations are
a) am I hungry
b) do I like the food on offer

...and most people I know would happily eat home made food (usually its nicer than shop bought) maybe we're all mingers...?

The thing is even if trans people did have a third space it seems to me it’s not good enough for some some of the hatred wouldn't stop

not gonna swear but you are talking twaddle same old same old so you now think I hate women Jesus wept yes you r in a cult I am a woman I don’t hate womenn

Well you do a bloody good job of pretending you do if you think that women can have penises and should be in single sex spaces.

Yep, it’s really “progressive” to delete years of work striving for women’s rights/women’s only spaces and allow a few entitled men to trample all over us with a click of their fingers because of the way they “feel”🙄.

Anyway, you seem to be slightly lacking in the ol’ grey matter so il leave you to it. But if you’re really interested in educating yourself you’d do well to read some of the feminist boards on here.

Depressingly I see this thread has gone the way of many others.

The thing is even if trans people did have a third space it seems to me it’s not good enough for some some of the hatred wouldn't stop

And this proves you haven't bothered to understand the GC position you hate so much.

You do realise there are many feminists like me that don’t think like you? You do know that we can have different thoughts in our head don’t you at once

People whose babies wake them up hourly or more for their first 2 years. I dont know anyone whose babies do this in real life. Not one.

Big girl pants means pants in the way Hillary Clinton wears them, not your undies from M&S

But my contribution to this thread is "leave the bastard". IRL nobody leaves a 20 year marriage over one minor - or even major - issue

Yes, it is sad. It’s not the content of the debate per se, it’s the tone. I don’t like how polarised the debate is, which I personally think is down to the way many gender critical posters engage in the forum.

I feel like gender critical posters often resort to being reductive or using extreme examples tactically, in order to silence/shame others. It’s very ‘with us or against us’. And I did mean hawkish actually, as in predatory. I feel like one wrong turn and I’m going to get piled on.

I have no issue with people airing views and even using MN as a place to politically advocate/organise if other spaces are lacking online. But the rage that runs through some of the threads I find very alienating and it puts me off even trying to think things though for myself.

Dear if you put women with penises (aka as men) first you are no feminist.

No-one seems to be depressed, miserable, upset, or angry any more.
Their mental health is all over the place.

Intersectional feminism is a thing research it

@Brogues People only say that on here because they're anonymous. In real life they don't share in public because they know they'd seem snobbish. As you're hinting.

For sure I am very sure some don’t hate trans they just want to protect what they see as their spaces but for many others they actually don’t like people being trans they don’t want to use pronouns I mean how does that affect them

In response to the OP, A coach at our sports club tells people to put their man pants on

I feel like gender critical posters often resort to being reductive or using extreme examples tactically, in order to silence/shame others. It’s very ‘with us or against us’. And I did mean hawkish actually, as in predatory. I feel like one wrong turn and I’m going to get piled on.

But the extreme issues are happening.

• woman raped in NHS hospitals told it's not possible because there was no man on the ward (transwoman committed the rape).
• woman denied single sex rape crisis care.
• children being sent breast binders/ mutilated.
• rapists in women's prisons.

This is not about poor transwomen using pronouns. It's what it leads to.

Funny isn’t it this is why people who don’t agree with gender criticals put their head on here. You get called thick I believe no grey matter or you hate women etc this is why maybe women don’t talk about stuff so it seems that everyone agrees with the gender criticals,

‘My 38 month baby’

‘It’s SEX not GENDER’ (to a pregnant woman who clearly doesn’t want to hold a sex reveal party)

Everyone on here has a ‘strapping’ teen son and a ‘very bright’ infant. Nobody’s kids are just average. Equally everyone’s newborn was 9lb+ and went ‘STRAIGHT into 0-3 month’ clothing because they’re on the 99th centile.

Complaints about friends not remembering the anniversary of your cat’s passing in 1997 and whether you should go NC as a result

Come up with practical solutions for women that do not deny the existence of something (people) that already exists.

Yes, it’s the women who should bend over backwards trying to find “practical solutions” to welcoming the trans community - god forbid they themselves should sort out their own rights/spaces - just take the women’s and let them deal with the fallout of having people with penises in their supposedly safe spaces!

As this thread has shown

if you disagree with me you must be MRA. Or worse, an actual Man!

Intersectional feminism is a thing research it

Feminism is for women. Transwomen are not women. If your feminism puts transwomen above women then you are not a feminist.