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Who will Rishi Sunak have on his cabinet?

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TicketToRideFan · 24/10/2022 14:06

And will this finally rid of us Jacob Rees Mogg and his ilk?

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AutumnCrow · 25/10/2022 19:10

SwedishEdith · 25/10/2022 18:56

Maybe Sunak knows there is worse to come from Braverman so he can sack her again and kill her attempts to still be leader. She's so appalling I'm clinging to the idea it can only be a cynical appointment.

Yes he needs to properly politically 'kill her dead dead', so to speak. We don't don't to be watching Bravalloween 2023: The New Mask.

LaGioconda · 25/10/2022 19:11

SwedishEdith · 25/10/2022 18:56

Maybe Sunak knows there is worse to come from Braverman so he can sack her again and kill her attempts to still be leader. She's so appalling I'm clinging to the idea it can only be a cynical appointment.

But can the government afford the distraction of Sue-Ellen fulfilling her orgasmic dreams about Rwanda? It's deeply unpopular, likely to get trashed in the courts, and is ludicrously expensive. If they had any sense they would take a good look at the economy's need for more workers and revamp the whole system, so that asylum seekers get safe passage followed by an efficient system for processing their asylum claims, and they would allow them to work in the meantime.

Notonthestairs · 25/10/2022 19:12

I didn't know who John Hayes was. SafestTory seat in the UK South Holland & the Deepings. Social Conservative doesn't quite do him justice - anti abortion in all circumstances, against same sex marriage, proposed bringing back the death penalty, thinks National Trust is woke and anti onshore wind turbines.
Very on brand for Braverman.

FixundFoxi · 25/10/2022 19:13

@MarshaBradyo bit insulting to say red wall voters would like Braverman because of her widely criticised policy of shipping illegal immigrants off to Rwanda, us all being ignorant racists...🙄 And they say Conservative voters understand the wc.

MarshaBradyo · 25/10/2022 19:16

FixundFoxi · 25/10/2022 19:13

@MarshaBradyo bit insulting to say red wall voters would like Braverman because of her widely criticised policy of shipping illegal immigrants off to Rwanda, us all being ignorant racists...🙄 And they say Conservative voters understand the wc.

Not really. Following the Brexit votes - which according to some was a large reason for last election win.

Brexit appealed due to immigration issues - when looked at in research.

So same kind of vote. Not a value judgement but demographics and issues researchers have uncovered.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:18

What have we learnt from the Cabinet Reshuffle:

Hunt (Chancellor): Largely shares a broadly similar position to Sunak, but Sunak can't replace him with Oliver Dowden as he'd like for the time being. He needs to show stability before he can take control of the department. Hunt is a One Nation Moderate Tory, so this appeals to the centre ground of the party. Sunak has said difficult decisions ahead - this seems to suggest tax rises. This may actually help the markets as interest rates/weakness of the pound/inflation is partly related to the size of the budget black hole. Markets already like the appointment and gilts are trading close to prior when Truss took over atm.

Cleverly (Foreign): Sunak sees our foreign relations as shit and a priority. Probably feels he wants to clear up mess left by Johnson and Truss who were both there before being PM. Look for trade deal noise. This is partly about Brexit. Much mood music about healing relations with Macron rather than throwing insults at him. Cleverly's calls today interesting: Ukraine, India, Singapore and UAE. I think this reappointment is one of the most interesting as it shows there are real concerns over international relations. Good appointment for me.

Wallace (Defence): Self Explanatory. Also needed to keep Johnson wing happy. BUT Sunak refused to commit to increasing defence spending to 3% of GDP which Truss had.

Braverman (Home): Red meat for the ERG. He did a deal to become PM. Without her and other ERG members coming across, he would have had to go to the party membership and he'd have lost. She is determined to persue a hardline and wants the Rwanda deal. Sunak has previously been supportive of it too. But Braverman isn't his choice and is considered a liability. He (and many others) will be looking for her to make a big error so she can be given the boot at the first opportunity.Tim Shipman thinks this will upset the Cabinet Secretary Simon Case. Clearly knives out for her already. She has to tow line or she'll be out and Sunak can go 'oh well I gave her benefit of the doubt'. Tactical as well as about policy imho.

Raab (Justice and Deputy PM): Another eye catcher and red meat for the ERG. The British Bill of Rights and potentially leaving the ECHR is back on the cards. Raab was shit at Justice before and ended up causing strikes. But he's a Sunak loyalist and this was his price. Not good. Worse appointment than Braverman for me, as more likely to get away with murder and its signalling an assault on rights likely.

Gove (Levelling Up): Good appointment. Was doing well and even people who don't like Gove in none Tory areas were positive about him in this role previously. This won't please the Home County NIMBYs. This is a gamble in terms of how it will affect Tory/LD marginals. But Gove is committed to unpopular decisions that probably do need making for housing.

Stride (DWP): Close Ally of Sunak. Thinks that benefits need to rise in line with inflation. Thus somthing for Hunt to find. Again means taxes must go up. Worth keeping eye on the triple lock. Hunt wouldn't commit to it. Truss then made a point of doing so, because of wailing.

Shapps (Business and Energy): Neutral on this for now. Gas prices are falling considerably and with stronger pound anyway, things may not look as bad as they did a month ago.

Coffey (DEFRA): Absoluete disaster for a struggling sector at a time where we have issues with food security and continued food production. He clearly hates farmers. Awful in just shitness.

Barclay (Health): Will look to cut red tape and middle management by the look of it. So unlikely to be good for health - they will almost certainly have to make cuts in this area. They've recently had a bucketload of money which NHS chiefs are saying has already been swallowed up by inflation. Not a priority for Sunak imo.

Zahawi (Minister without portfolio / Tory Chair): Johnson ally without intergrity put in position to unite the party. Interesting move.

Dowden (Cabinet): Key Sunak ally. Rumoured to be prefered choice for Chancellor. Given key role looking after Cabinet business helping Sunak.

Mordaunt (Leader of HoC): Power play which might upset at least 30 to 40 MPs. Making a point that he wasn't happy about being held to ransom over a Cabinet position. Note that a rebellion of 30 to 40 is big enough to be a problem. She has a reputation as being shit, so this probably is about keeping her out of trouble as much as anything.

Keegan (Education): Has track record focusing on vocational education - thats very different to Truss's desire to bring back grammars. Not a name or ally. This appointment is not a priority and department is clearly well down Sunak's list. Education unlikely to get the money it desparately needs post covid.

Badenoch (Int Dev and Equalities): He didn't promote Badenoch from Int Dev BUT he has given her Equalities so its a step up. Think this one is curious and almost a 'now prove yourself' moment in a Cabinet of known quantities and no new faces. Its also a statement of intent over trying to tackle identity politics. Again meat for the right of the party.

Heaton-HArris (NI): Surprise this one. Key Johnson Ally. But perhaps needed as Stormont situation at a critical point.

Overall: There are some real stinkers in there. And some worrying things, but also things that look encouraging. He's clearly trying to manage factions with this mix and has given a fair amount to the right of the party. Whether thats because he shares those views or realises he needs to do this, to get other things through I'm not 100% sure. Probably a mix of the two.

Other thing, seems that he's pretty much left the Defence Dept alone, which I think is interesting.

Its a 'boring reshuffle' over all. No risks or new blood. Its 'safe'. Few surprises for me.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:21

LaGioconda · 25/10/2022 19:08

FFS, fifth Education secretary in four months. It's basically a dumping-ground for the Tories, isn't it?

The Raab appointment is a bit nutty, apart from anything else he's bound to lose his seat at the next election.

Raab wants to get his Bloody Bill of Rights through before he leaves politics. Its his pet project. In return for loyalty he has the opportunity to fuck us all over.

Argue, Tories aren't interested in education at all. They don't think it really important.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:21

Agree sorry

Deria · 25/10/2022 19:23

Very concerning to have a TWAW believer as education secretary…

noblegiraffe · 25/10/2022 19:28

Deria · 25/10/2022 19:23

Very concerning to have a TWAW believer as education secretary…

The DfE are supposed to be releasing guidance to schools on dealing with trans pupils before Christmas, so that could be delayed.

AutumnCrow · 25/10/2022 19:29

You have to be really really duplicitous as a politician to spout 'TWAW' (also, I note, without the matching 'TMAM'?).

It's the equivalent of saying, 'all Virgos are lovely and sensitive and as an MP I'm totally committed to the health care of people born not only in September but also - get this! - in February. That's what being inclusive is all about.'

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:30

noblegiraffe · 25/10/2022 19:28

The DfE are supposed to be releasing guidance to schools on dealing with trans pupils before Christmas, so that could be delayed.

I would suggest from the departmental pecking order this reshuffle suggests, that if keegan wants money, she'll have to tow the party line on single sex provision.

noblegiraffe · 25/10/2022 19:30

Keegan (Education): Has track record focusing on vocational education - thats very different to Truss's desire to bring back grammars. Not a name or ally. This appointment is not a priority and department is clearly well down Sunak's list. Education unlikely to get the money it desparately needs post covid.

Also she says that she is anti trade union which is not great with strikes coming up.

She went to a comp and left school at 16, then did an apprenticeship so if she's around any length of time she could maybe rethink the floundering T-levels.

One of the issues with the Ed Sec post is that teachers like the post-holder to have gone to a state school, a comp for preference and this really narrows the field in the Tory party.

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:56

John Mercer gets Veterans Minister attending Cabinet.

Thats the Mercer who had a meltdown when he lost his last ministerial job...

RedToothBrush · 25/10/2022 19:59

Mark Harper (Transport)
Victoria Prentis (Attorney General)

Also attending Cabinet:
Jeremy Quin (Paymaster General and Minister for the Cabinet Office)
John Glen (Chief Secretary to the Treasury)
Tom Tugendhat (Minister of Security)

noblegiraffe · 25/10/2022 20:22

What the fuck has Gav got on people?

Who will Rishi Sunak have on his cabinet?
SwedishEdith · 25/10/2022 21:02

This Andrew Mitchell appointment is actually quite good. He's vocally against cuts to the foreign aid budget and was working with Jo Cox on international development and aid issues.

Who will Rishi Sunak have on his cabinet?
XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:20

I may be the only person who doesn't think Brexit was about migration. For me, it was about the difficulties of trying to create one template and rulebook that would be equitable across 27 nations. I still think we are well out of it, even though the crisis that makes it fail hasn't happened, yet.

MarshaBradyo · 25/10/2022 21:32

XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:20

I may be the only person who doesn't think Brexit was about migration. For me, it was about the difficulties of trying to create one template and rulebook that would be equitable across 27 nations. I still think we are well out of it, even though the crisis that makes it fail hasn't happened, yet.

You're right it’s a variety of issues, I read an interesting review on why and immigration was at top but others also came up.

ExpulsoCorona · 25/10/2022 21:37

XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:20

I may be the only person who doesn't think Brexit was about migration. For me, it was about the difficulties of trying to create one template and rulebook that would be equitable across 27 nations. I still think we are well out of it, even though the crisis that makes it fail hasn't happened, yet.

Some of the rules were quite good though like the ones stopping raw sewage being dumped in the sea, workers rights, human rights, tax laws etc

XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:37

Thanks to @RedToothBrush for the summary and analysis.

There was an interesting piece on R4 this morning about education's reduced priority in the spending order along the lines of it had so much attention under Blair, Brown, Cameron and Gove and none of the changes or increases in spending moved us up the PISA scale, we should wait until there's a public demand for education.

XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:48

I don't disagree with most EU regulation @ExpulsoCorona . The UK wrote most of the food hygiene book and we had already banned most animal testing for trivial and minor purposes long before the EU followed suit. I really wonder where the notion that we were following along blindly came from. It was malicious though.

SwedishEdith · 25/10/2022 21:54

XingMing · 25/10/2022 21:20

I may be the only person who doesn't think Brexit was about migration. For me, it was about the difficulties of trying to create one template and rulebook that would be equitable across 27 nations. I still think we are well out of it, even though the crisis that makes it fail hasn't happened, yet.

I think it was actually about right wing libertarian think tanks (and their like-minded MPs) wanting to move the UK to a US -style free market economy with few state constraints and regulations to comply with. They're the regulations that usually protect us. But as most people in their day to day lives aren't watching right wing libertarian think tanks too closely, they knew they could press the 'resentment at others' buttons to gain support by targeting immigrants.

XingMing · 25/10/2022 22:01

If you look back to the 80s and 90s, you would find the UK at the centre of writing the EU's rules. Purely personally, I think the failure came at the time of Maastricht, when we should have had a referendum with a question along the lines of ""Are you happy with a customs union///free trade area or would you like to proceed towards financial and political union?"

XingMing · 25/10/2022 22:07

@SwedishEdith I think you're venturing much deeper into conspiracy theory than I have, and it was a big part of my life in the 1970s. There is a big libertarian element in the US, but most people believe they are boonnkerrsss.