Conservative membership deciding new pm

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This is bonkers, the conservative membership cannot be trusted to decide who will be PM. They opted for Liz Truss last time, with her extreme conservative values. The country needs someone less extreme and with good morals

Anyone who worked with Liz Truss said she was disloyal, interested exclusively in self promotion and showed no sign of being able to do anything well. (This included my DP who worked with her when she was Justice Secretary and couldn't believe she was even standing).

I find it bizarre that the Conservative party members ignored those voices - there were quite a few of them.

No I’m not, I just don’t want my usual threads, where people are quite happy chatting to me about pregnancy, etc. derailed by Tory haters swearing at me.

I can’t speak for every Conservative member but many of those that I know locally are not necessarily that engaged or informed about the details of politics, or the economy.
Some reasons for joining include
historic, because their parents were,
or because it’s a social group that gets together for lunches or dinners
or because their partners are involved so they want to be supportive.

I’m not dissing any of those reasons by the way, most of the time being a member does not involve picking the next PM. It’s about fundraising or local election campaigning for example.

Obviously, there are some very engaged individuals, there are younger members, there are non-white members and so on, but the majority are older and white with varying reasons for their membership.

So, she never stated she would cut the highest rate of tax - a very hard change to sell to anyone other than those it affected. Why should the richest have a tax cut in the current times?
She said she was pro lower taxes yes, but not that specific detail.

She never stated she would make all the announcements she (Kwasi) did without the information from the OBR. Yet she went ahead too early. She could’ve just started with the energy bill support and waited for the OBR before making any other changes.

I’ve heard more from her colleagues that she isn’t good at taking advice or listening to others who I’m sure would have been telling her to go slower. I’m pretty sure the Treasury officials would not have been in support of her mini budget but she pushed ahead anyway.

She dithered over confirming about the triple lock on pensions allowing people to get anxious about it before confirming it would stay. Stuff like that is so unnecessary and upsets the markets and gets the journalists excited.

So I won’t accept that I’m a fool for being surprised at her mini budget.

Actually I kind of agree with this, he wants to believe what he’s saying and wants to tell people things they want to hear. He does seem to be able to lie and get away with it.
My husband is firmly in Team Boris, I’m less so.

But not in Team Rishi either, so I’m back to being stuck if it comes to voting again. I actually hope they can make a deal between them and just decide amongst themselves.

Totally agree.

I actually met Kemi recently and said I wished she’d stayed in the race longer. She said she’d tried!
She seems genuine and lovely and I would say works well with others, unlike Liz seemed to have done.

I’m pretty sure the Treasury officials would not have been in support of her mini budget

Bit of an understatement. She sacked the permanent secretary to the treasury within days of becoming PM.

And it still doesn't wash that people were surprised. She said she would make unfunded tax cuts, and she did. That's what the markets reacted to, not the fact that it was one particular tax that got cut.

During her campaigning Truss did say that it was fair to give higher earners more money back through tax cuts. Wasn’t this a reason for members choosing her, as this was the opposite of what a Sunak was saying?

Sunak not ‘a’ Sunak

Yes, which suggests there is a high proportion of high earners who are only interested in their own back accounts rather than the greater good/what’s best for the economy.

All salute the boris, our glorious leader.

Penny mordant lost her mum and was a carer for her dad?
She's also got experts in 8 others gov departments..

What is an expert in a government department?
A civils servant?

Sorry, I meant she has experience in 8 other gov departments.

I didn't know much about her but I saw a little clip and I was quite impressed. She was extreme crisp, and straightforward and made it clear she knew what struggle was and said she was in office way before Sunack ever joined.

I would hazard a guess that most tory members are wealthy through capital rather than earning.

Mostly inherited.

These are not the movers and shakers people imagine they are. Vox Pops from tory members was absolutely hilarious

Many higher earners were appalled at what they did.

Oh good, considered, strong steady, decision making, average age about 80 with not a hint of dementia.

The fact that these idiots chose Truss should instantly disqualify them from voting again.

It's perfectly clear that the reason was that his skin is the wrong colour for Conservatives.

I do love how Tories cling so pathetically to the belief that Johnson induces panic in the left. There is certainly a degree of incredulity that even the current Conservative party could be so deranged, and worry about what further disasters he will inflict; but most "liberal lefties" positively welcome the fact that this will make Conservative defeat at the next election even more certain.

This
Lot's of people cannot seem to understand that some tory voters base their decision in prejudice and nationalism. Especially the one's who started voting tory post-Boris. They are the new money and they have a lot of sway

How does your husband feel about things like the Paterson debacle, the economy, the fact that Johnson appointed Pincher despite knowing he was a sex molester and then sent his colleagues out to tell contradictory lies about it or him? I'm not attacking him, I'd really like to try to understand the mindset of Johnson supporters.

Kemi Badenoch's stated intention to get rid of help in class for children with SEND seemed less than lovely to me.

Interesting explanation here of why at least one party member won't vote for SunakL
twitter.com/LBC/status/1583836182781517830

I am clinging to the fact that at least one Tory MP has said he will resign the Tory whip if Johnson is re-elected. It's a horrific prospect.

Surely if enough of them do (by crossing the floor or becoming independents), then the next Prime Minister could be Keir Starmer...

Not because of a General Election but because he'd be leader of the largest Parliamentary party.

Quite. Although for at least some of those chugging the right wing copium, they doth protest too much.