Conservative membership deciding new pm

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This is bonkers, the conservative membership cannot be trusted to decide who will be PM. They opted for Liz Truss last time, with her extreme conservative values. The country needs someone less extreme and with good morals

Says everything really, doesn't it?

They must think we're all stupid. Except, they keep getting voted in, so clearly we are.

I held a senior job for NYCC for many years. I know the demographics- as I said rural poverty is rife in his constituency.

Rural poverty is a serious issue that sadly doesnt get a look in on standard measures.

Lack of transport, additional costs of food, petrol, services, lack of access to health services (one of the main hospitals was closed some years ago)

Lack of broadband in many areas
Lack of local food banks

High rates of young male deaths

Plus the second home owners - so schools close, post offices close, there is a lack of GPS as well. Dying communities -many with an ageing population

It also includes Catterick Garrison which is deprived but not eligible for FSM as it is army housing. Colburn which has traditionally been deprived and has complex social issues- many related to the army! 44% FSM in Colburn.

I you want to see the impact of rural poverty in action then I suggest that you go to Bedale Car Boot Sale at 7am on a Saturday morning. Rishi wont be there!
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They need to choose someone who isn’t going to be reckless though.

IMO the reason why Sunak didn’t get in was racism, pure and simple.

But the tories need someone who will renew confidence in the next two years leading up to the next election.

And I hate to say it, but if they manage to make that happen I’m not convinced they will lose. Because labour seem to have 0 policies. It doesn’t matter whether they’ve published anything, publicly all they concentrate on is telling us that they’re not the tories. While they would absolutely win an election at the moment, I wouldn’t bet money on them doing so in two years time if the new PM brings some stability back to the country.

'Seem to have 0 policies' - that appears to be a bit of a reoccurring theme and like most oft repeated phrases not necessarily true. Windfall tax, energy cap, HS2, National Infrastructure commission, some degree of nationalisation (Arriva, probation service), all policies put forward by Labour and later adopted often in diluted form by the Tories so no wonder the LP is not promoting many of its ideas. But sadly such is the UK electorate I don't doubt they will be seduced again by yet another incarnation of the Conservative party.

Rishi is on 103 now Johnson stalling as is PM

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PRufWhh2YAoxPUJEXeVaEOe7rcT1IINOXijeLI6o9Cc/htmlview?pru=AAABhCBxLOA*j_h9jrFkZiERZAVEW3fDaA#gid=0

57 ministers resigned because they couldn't work with the lying twat, 148 voted against him in a vote of no confidence - and then there are people he sacked or who lost the Conservative whip. Logic says he should struggle to scrape together 100 supporters, but sadly I wouldn't put it beyond some of them to be hypocritical enough to decide that maybe they can work with him after all.

I do wonder what sort of cabinet Johnson could put together. It seems highly unlikely that Sunak, Javid and Gove would serve. Then you have the fact that an awful lot of his previous ministers resigned rather than work with him, and even people like Patel and Braverman who didn't resign supported chucking him out. Are we going to be left with a cabinet consisting of Hunt, Dorries, Rees-Mogg, Fabricant and Bone?

One of the reasons the SNP have so many seats is cos Labour have been a busted flush for years. If they were to come back the SNP would lose seats.

We don’t have any say over how the party decides but I wonder why they want the membership to vote

It’s ok when MP and votes align but causes big issues when it doesn’t

Other way around. Scottish people are not thick, SNP is about independence, not a 2nd Labour option.
You need to take a look at the coloured maps produced from latest polling data, paints a very different picture to the one you claim. Yellow North fades into red

@MarshaBradyo I think they are hoping that when it gets to the final 2, the one with the least votes will step aside, so no membership input. However if the 2 were BJ and Sunak, with Sunak having the majority, would BJ pull out - I doubt it as he will know he would win in that scenario.

To posters who have highlighted that parties decide what their leadership rules are, fair enough, but I think that all parties should be made to change their rules so that only elected MPs can decide mid term.

I you want to see the impact of rural poverty in action then I suggest that you go to Bedale Car Boot Sale at 7am on a Saturday morning. Rishi wont be there!

I see him mountain biking round Silton Forest quite a bit. He has a nice bike.

Agree. It feels like madness given the last result.

I don’t know if I’ve heard why the committee haven’t learnt from that. I might understand it more if I knew the rationale.

Yes I agree with this.
I'm on Scotland and I hate the SNP party. Unfortunately that mostly means holding my nose and voting Conservative as the only electable alternative.
I've been watching this latest spectacle with horror as the more the Conservatives make themselves unelectable, the greater the likelihood that SNP gets even more votes and power.

i asked on another thread
are they any members on mumsnet?

surely the reason rishi didnt get in was due to the non dom fiasco?

@MarshaBradyo I can only imagine they are scared of members’ reaction were they to be excluded from having any power in the decision. It truly is mad, and a shocking waste of time after the last selection. Can’t understand why with only 44 days passed the person who was second choice could not be offered it.

how about passing a law that says replacing the prime minister automatically triggers a general election?

When has this government ever displayed the slightest concern for what the law says?

I don't think that would be a good idea. If we were in a situation where a PM had acted badly and their party stood to lose lots of seats in the next GE (this may sound familiar...) the parliamentary party would have a substantial disincentive to leave them in place and we would be lumbered with a shit leader until the 5 years finally trundled around. It wouldn't benefit anyone to have a system that means a dead man or woman walking essentially cannot be removed without a lot of their colleagues falling on their swords.

I agree we need to be able to remove someone and still have the MPs we voted in.

I think a party should learn from its mistakes though and not put us in the same position again with a terrible choice

Yes this should go nowhere near the Tory membership now. And I do think there's a good chance MPs will make sure it doesn't.

I really hope so, I’m struggling to see how if he gets 100 but maybe he won’t

It's not on is it, we need an election

Yes Sunak's Richmond constituency is a typical left behind northern ghetto (251st in the government's own index of deprivation), so deprived it received levelling up funds whereas Barnsley (38th) didn't. Weird that.
Says everything really, doesn't it?
They must think we're all stupid.

January 12, 2022
Good Law Project ends judicial review challenge over Levelling Up Fund.

The Good Law Project was seeking to challenge the lawfulness of the allocation decisions and the methodology that the defendants stated they had used to determine those allocations.

However, the Good Law Project said had “somewhat reluctantly” withdrawn its application. This decision was “based on legal advice about our likelihood of success following disclosure by the Government of its documents”.

www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/projects-and-regeneration/403-projects-news/49294-good-law-project-ends-judicial-review-challenge-over-levelling-up-fund