Conservative membership deciding new pm

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This is bonkers, the conservative membership cannot be trusted to decide who will be PM. They opted for Liz Truss last time, with her extreme conservative values. The country needs someone less extreme and with good morals

Morning Clav - has someone rubbed the magic lamp ?

“Optimism," said Cacambo, "What is that?" "Alas!" replied Candide, "It is the obstinacy of maintaining that everything is best when it is worst.”
― Voltaire, Candide

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“Optimism," said Cacambo, "What is that?"

I am optimistic that this is going to be a very exciting weekend. I don't really mind who wins - Johnson, Sunak or Mordaunt - I am enjoying the panic amongst the liberal lefties that it might be Boris!

I hate Boris, I really do. He will be bad news for the Conservatives, he’s shady, immoral and a loose cannon.

He is a dickhead of infinite proportions.

Sunak or Mordaunt are a better bet.

Meanwhile I will continue working with the vulnerable trying to
plug gaps because services which should support people are underfunded and understaffed. I’d back any potential leader who would begin to tackle that.

I’m a party member.

I have name changed for this though as I’ve seen the pile on and vitriol people can get on MN.

Breaking News - Boris Johnson has arrived back in the UK.

thank you @AConservativeMember
of course, hadnt thought about that
i guess you wouldnt want to share who you will chose, if it comes to that?

@AConservativeMember thanks! I am genuinely interested whether as a member you feel you must have a say or, seeing how little time has passed since Truss was elected, you would accept only the conservative elected MPs’ decision?

Vera!
You have elevated the thread!

Lowering the tone, that phrase 'would BJ pull out' - pass the brain bleach!

Oh god @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g!

The demographic profile of the Tory membership is largely older non white voters. Sunak doesn’t stand a chance against Johnson if he gets the numbers. The members were warned about Truss but that didn’t stop them from voting for the most incompetent Prime Minister in British political history.

Happy to share if/when it comes to that.

I’m pretty convinced they will want to finish this asap and not go to members though.

I would accept the MPs decision as it should (in theory) mean that the new PM can get votes through the house. The problem with the membership choosing is, as we’ve seen, is that the MPs don’t necessarily agree and will stop any progress of anything in the house.

The thing is, is that the MPs threw out Boris (not getting into whether that was right or wrong) when the membership loved him and didn’t want a leadership contest at all. The party didn’t seem to understand that and forced the contest but implicitly accepting the members new decision.
It’s a mess and I agree that all parties should look closely at how they choose leaders. Essentially it has to be someone with the confidence of a majority of the house, nothing else works.

I think you probably meant older white voters.

I agree for the most part this is true. I’m 47 and white, maybe not old quite yet!
My local association is nearly all white and older than me.

Being a member doesn’t give us any more understanding of economics, business, trade, etc. so I think it’s hard to say we should have known what was coming. Also, they tried to go further and faster than had been talked about over the summer.

The demographic profile of the Tory membership is largely older non white voters. Sunak doesn’t stand a chance against Johnson if he gets the numbers.

Priti Patel, Alok Sharma and Shailesh Vara are backing Boris Johnson.

@AConservativeMember thank you for pointing out my error. I did intend to say older white voters.

There is nothing wrong with that but they are less likely to vote for Sunak.

@AConservativeMember thanks for replying, I appreciate it! I’m baffled as to why the members have had to be included this time, potentially anyway.

Honestly, Tory, don't be scared, this is a faceless forum, nobody will seek you out and burn your house down.

Namechange is understandable, not coz you're a victim, quite the opposite... Because you are rightly ASHAMED

Yes because they did such a good job last time!

Actually, taking an interest in politics (which is kind of a pre-requisite for joining a political party) should mean that someone is better informed about economics etc. than a randomer off the street. If they're interested to the point of joining a party, surely they read around the subject a bit? Or at least look further than the Daily Mail to inform their views?

Unfortunately this doesn't seem to apply to tory party members.

My theory is that Liz Truss was elected by the members due to a combination of racism and the fact that she played up to the sick Thatcher fantasies so many of them harbour.

Also, they tried to go further and faster than had been talked about over the summer.

And this doesn't wash.

Liz Truss told us what her approach would be.... and then she did it. Only a fool would claim that the utterly unfunded tax cuts were a surprise.

Any MP or member of the Conservative party that voted for this woman should fucking well hang their head in shame. This isn't just about differing views on how to run the country - this is about a group of people totally trashing it.

Ignorance is no excuse. If you're too ignorant to tell the difference between what Sunak and Truss were proposing, then you shouldn't fucking participate in the vote to choose between them.

And I say this as someone who is no fan of Sunal either. But it was clear to me back in August that he would be least damaging.

Why Boris Johnson? I thought they had kicked him out because he told so many lies/ was useless.
But then he is a serial cheat so I bet he's making promises never to do it again just like he tells his women.

Letting retired golf club bores decide who should run the country, What could possibly go wrong?

Liz Truss was elected for the simple fact that she was not Rishi Sunak. It's not racist because if Kemi had been put forward alongside Rishi, Kemi would now be PM.

Like it or not, Rishi is seen as a traitor to the party faithful and they will vote in anyone but him.

He's also seen as a billionaire puppet of other faceless grey suits. He's just not who they want.