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Does anybody work at EY?

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 19:05

I’ve seen a role on the careers page that I’m potentially interested in, however, there’s no salary listed.

I’ve called the helpline number to ask, and the response I got was “we don’t share the salary until you’ve successfully completed the assessment” - I explained to the recruitment advisor that I wouldn’t want to waste mine on their time by going through an assessment process without knowing what the range was given that it’s a senior role, and in my experience, different organisations use different job titles and have different structures therefore it’s hard to gauge how “senior” the role is and that what I was hoping for was an indication - e.g. “pays between x and y dependent on experience” type thing.

I could complete my candidate profile (which the website suggests will take approx 30 minutes) and hope that I could get the salary range at this stage of the process, but given today’s experience, I’m not sure if I’m right for EY/they’re right for me - I’m not unhappy in current role, was just idly perusing and thought the opportunity sounded interesting! Annual leave allowance and pension contributions were available for me to see, and are less that what I get now, hence being keen to understand the salary before taking further.

Happy to PM a link to the role if anyone might be willing/able to give an indication of pay range? TIA

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StaunchMomma · 11/10/2022 22:46

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

This is so much bullshit.

People know how much money they need to keep ticking over and most wouldn't bother applying for a job with an uncompetitive salary.

Sounds like you work for a bunch of arseholes, frankly.

saraclara · 11/10/2022 22:46

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

That's bollocks. It's just a power play.

'We hold all the cards and are prepared to make you jump through hoops. Oh and don't bother if you have a family and mortgage that you're responsible for. You're clearly too interested in money for us. We want someone who'll sell their soul for the company"

tentinginmarch · 11/10/2022 22:46

@Octomore 😎😎 I've been around the block a bit! 😂

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Octomore · 11/10/2022 22:46

I agree with the PP that this secrecy is shit. It does perpetuate the gender pay gap, as well as wasting people's time. I'd happily see this practice consigned to the bin.

Eightytwenty · 11/10/2022 22:52

Recently several US states have published legislation that mandates employers should advertise roles with their pay ranges and benefits. A rare case where they’re getting things done better than we do.

Alibro79 · 11/10/2022 22:56

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

So you like to waste people's time and take advantage of them then 🙄🙄🙄

Solonge · 11/10/2022 22:59

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

Interesting. I would suggest that a man who has a family and mortgage is unlikely to apply for a job without having some idea of salary. Why would anyone spend the time and energy applying and interviewing for a role only to find it is 10k lower than their present role and wouldn't meet the mortgage? I am saying 'a man' because I have had experience of companies that don't post salaries for jobs that are more commonly seen as a female role. Its rather an ideological idea that people can suspend reality and apply for a job with no idea of the salary being offered, even more so with the present economic climate.

cstaff · 11/10/2022 23:00

I refuse to even apply or look at a job where the salary is not mentioned. At the very least it should give a range ie between 60k and 75k. It's just a waste of their time and mine if it is not known.

Marmight · 11/10/2022 23:03

I was recently put forward as a 'manager' to EY by a recruiter. Role was based in london and salary was £80k.
I wasn't impressed by the recruiter or the company as i declined to share my current salary and they got arsey with me.
No thank you and I've gone someone else on significantly more.

Solonge · 11/10/2022 23:05

saraclara · 11/10/2022 22:46

That's bollocks. It's just a power play.

'We hold all the cards and are prepared to make you jump through hoops. Oh and don't bother if you have a family and mortgage that you're responsible for. You're clearly too interested in money for us. We want someone who'll sell their soul for the company"

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couldnt agree more.... ludicrous to suggest that a lower salary can be balanced by gym membership and health insurance. Neither of which pay the mortgage. I was head hunted twice, both times approached and asked my present salary. I refused to divulge and asked what they were willing to pay.. If an employer has a job that they wish to be well done and they hope to find the best candidate, they should already know exactly what the job is worth to them and be happy to advertise the salary. I wouldnt waste my time applying for a job that has no pay scale attached.

Cordeliathecat · 11/10/2022 23:06

Feel free to PM me too

sleepwouldbenice · 11/10/2022 23:10

NotMyDayJob · 11/10/2022 19:38

And in my experience as a senior manager that's a load of nonsense

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Totally agree. Treat candidates with respect for their time and value them by giving a salary range

Solonge · 11/10/2022 23:11

PatientlyWaiting21 · 11/10/2022 22:26

@TreeLine6 what world do you live on? I work on recruitment, a heavily researched one and news flash candidates mostly don’t give a shit about gym memberships, medical insurance or what muffin they get on a Friday. You know what they do care about? Getting a job that pays the bills! People don’t happily accept a lower salary, they accept any salary because they have shit to pay for!!

to the OP, this job application process drives us all insane, and then they call us Wondering why there is a lack of candidates.

my personal favourite line by employers and recruiters is “we will offer the right salary to the right candidate” which is complete and utter bullshit. PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES A DECENT WAGE!!

PatientlyWaiting21..... perfect sum up.....

MimiArm · 11/10/2022 23:15

@MrsKipling16 I work as a SM for another big 4 firm and the SM band for my specialism starts at £82k for regional and £102k for London. I've never worked at EY but have been offered a position a few times and their range (again for my specialism) has always been notably lower. Bonuses and extra allowances (that can be cashed in) also much lower.

Mylittlesandwich · 11/10/2022 23:20

I would never apply for a job without knowing what it's going to pay. Why on earth would I waste time and holidays on interviews only to discover it pays too little. And why would a company waste their energy interviewing only to have candidates reject the offer? I ask for a banding and if they don't won't provide it I don't apply.

tentinginmarch · 11/10/2022 23:23

@blameless I promise you I've never stolen anything in my life.
Yes there are bad eggs. More than at other employees but y'know. We employ 13k people in the uk so we're likely to have more bad eggs than the accounting firm down the road that employs 10.

Solonge · 11/10/2022 23:30

KweenieBeanz · 11/10/2022 21:59

I refuse to apply for any job where the salary isn't stated. As PP have noted it usually denotes a company with a sizeable gender pay gap, or very unequal pay between people doing the same job. Usually the salary is also poor for the job. Same applies to 'competitive salary' - if it's so competitive, why not say what it is 😂😂😂

Companies who don't allow staff to discuss pay maintain this culture because it keeps pay down. You can't challenge for a pay rise based on a colleague being paid more when you aren't aware a colleague is paid more.

I was in a role years ago and said to a colleague that the pay needed to rise if I were to stay. We discussed further and it became apparent I was earning more than she was...by quite a bit and no clear reason for it. We started talking to other staff and it became clear everyone was on a different salary for the same work. That was interesting for the company. At the next meeting of staff reps the company discovered all their staff were furious and demanding a proper wage scale and for it to be transparent. No one was taking a wage cut, so it was an expensive exercise for the company.

TokenGinger · 11/10/2022 23:30

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

How ridiculous. For my role, the salary can range from anything from £20k in public sector up to £45-50k in private sector.

I could not afford to take a £15k salary drop just because I like the company. I'd not like to waste my time, nor theirs, going through the application process, either, to find out it wasn't feasible to begin with.

MyAnacondaMight · 11/10/2022 23:32

SM roles for my specialism at EY start at around £108k for London.

blameless · 11/10/2022 23:42

tentinginmarch · 11/10/2022 23:23

@blameless I promise you I've never stolen anything in my life.
Yes there are bad eggs. More than at other employees but y'know. We employ 13k people in the uk so we're likely to have more bad eggs than the accounting firm down the road that employs 10.

It's just the way that the industry has evolved, I may be being nostalgic, but I seem to remember a time when these scrapes wouldn't have been accepted as simply a cost of doing business. I am happy to accept that you're one of the honest 99.9%, but about those other 13 ...

Womencanlift · 11/10/2022 23:42

Treeline’s benefits of free gym membership may have been attractive to some people a few years ago but definitely not now. It’s cash people want/need and then they can choose if they want to buy that membership or not

On the cultural front though, this is something I would take notice of when deciding on a role. Particularly in consultancy firms.

I have worked in several in house consultancies (ie where a company sets up their own consultancy team rather than relying on external firms like EY and the others). I have friends who work/have worked in external consultancies who have a terrible work life balance - often not by choice - compared to what I have experienced. Similar pay from what they have divulged plus market research we do when recruiting

OP if a good work life balance is important to you then consider an in house role, particularly in financial services. If you are in London then lots of the big banks have these teams and are recruiting if you look at LinkedIn

Loserlacey · 11/10/2022 23:45

Oh ffs…. No one isn’t going to work for money, which is based on experience and responsibility levels ….

TreeLine6 · 12/10/2022 08:30

@PatientlyWaiting21

Sorry, but we do lay the right salary for the right candidate. There is no such thing as market salary- each candidate has different skills and experience and will be paid accordingly by us.

Clearly we will offer someone currently in a senior role at a competitor well above ‘market rate’ to join us. Others may need more moulding and development- we will pay accordingly.

Ime candidates who are obsessed with earning ‘market salary’ will be off like a shot the minute a company down the street increases pay.

saraclara · 12/10/2022 08:38

TreeLine6 · 12/10/2022 08:30

@PatientlyWaiting21

Sorry, but we do lay the right salary for the right candidate. There is no such thing as market salary- each candidate has different skills and experience and will be paid accordingly by us.

Clearly we will offer someone currently in a senior role at a competitor well above ‘market rate’ to join us. Others may need more moulding and development- we will pay accordingly.

Ime candidates who are obsessed with earning ‘market salary’ will be off like a shot the minute a company down the street increases pay.

There's still nothing stopping you indicating a range.

And someone needing to know that range isn't necessarily obsessed with chasing the highest salary. They may just need to know that it's a salary that they can manage on/ which is not lower than their present one.
People's time is precious, and it's disrespectful to expect them to waste it applying and attending interviews for a job that was never viable for them.

Having the attitude that everything should be about what benefits the company, and having no consideration for potential employees screams that the culture of your place is far from as desirable as you think it is.