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Does anybody work at EY?

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 19:05

I’ve seen a role on the careers page that I’m potentially interested in, however, there’s no salary listed.

I’ve called the helpline number to ask, and the response I got was “we don’t share the salary until you’ve successfully completed the assessment” - I explained to the recruitment advisor that I wouldn’t want to waste mine on their time by going through an assessment process without knowing what the range was given that it’s a senior role, and in my experience, different organisations use different job titles and have different structures therefore it’s hard to gauge how “senior” the role is and that what I was hoping for was an indication - e.g. “pays between x and y dependent on experience” type thing.

I could complete my candidate profile (which the website suggests will take approx 30 minutes) and hope that I could get the salary range at this stage of the process, but given today’s experience, I’m not sure if I’m right for EY/they’re right for me - I’m not unhappy in current role, was just idly perusing and thought the opportunity sounded interesting! Annual leave allowance and pension contributions were available for me to see, and are less that what I get now, hence being keen to understand the salary before taking further.

Happy to PM a link to the role if anyone might be willing/able to give an indication of pay range? TIA

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cinnabongene · 11/10/2022 20:46

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

Fuck that shit! What if the role was a £20K pay drop?

Angelofthenortheast · 11/10/2022 20:50

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

This is so stupid! If someone came to view your house for sale and said they'd buy it without finding out the asking price - wouldn't you be suspicious that there's something dodgy going on?

Likewise, if someone is happy to apply for a job without knowing the salary, it just suggests that they're desperate because they've been sacked, disciplined or don't plan to stay long!

MimosaSunrise · 11/10/2022 20:51

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

I’m not particularly money-driven and I am also content where I am, which is why I won’t leave my current role unless I get a good chunk more as inducement to leave AND a great company culture. It’s not one or the other. I wouldn’t even bother with an organisation that won’t discuss salaries at an early stage. Also, the benefits you mention seem pretty standard. The benefits that would get me to consider comparatively low pay would be very generous holiday entitlement, great pension, opportunity to take sabbaticals, etc. Gym membership wouldn’t cut it.

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 21:03

Chewbecca · 11/10/2022 19:38

What is the title? Generally below partner is director, senior manager, manager. Is it one of those levels?

Chewbecca yes, one of those - Senior Manager

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 21:08

vinoandbrie · 11/10/2022 19:39

What’s the job title, and where in the country is it?

vinoandbrie “Senior Manager Transformation” and there are 18 possible locations (I appreciate there will potentially be geographical variations to allow for London weighting for e.g.)

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Eloise38 · 11/10/2022 21:08

This is a genuine question, why does it disadvantage women when companies don't advertise their salaries?

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 11/10/2022 21:09

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

What a crock of shit. As far as I’m aware, company culture doesn’t pay the mortgage.

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 21:13

Stretchandsnap · 11/10/2022 19:39

@MrsKipling16 feel free to PM me

Stretchandsnap I have PM’d you, thank you

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SophieIsHereToday · 11/10/2022 21:17

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

A Google recruiter said this to us at a get women in to tech event. I never applied...

Was junior so they had the power. But as you get more senior I feel the power balance changes

Bobshhh · 11/10/2022 21:19

findingsomeone · 11/10/2022 19:40

Yeah this is just ridiculous. And why I would never apply to your company. Unless you're talking 100k+ salaries, most people will not be in a position to simply overlook a lower salary. I earn £65k and I couldn't afford to 'overlook' my next job having a lower salary just because I liked the company. That doesn't pay my mortgage. And I would say I earn reasonably well...

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Right?!

My job title has a potential £50k pay band, of course I need to know early on what I'm applying for!

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MrsKipling16 · 11/10/2022 21:22

Chewbecca · 11/10/2022 19:40

You can then Google the ballpark salary e.g. if you Google EY director salary UK you can see it’s around £145, SM is around £95k.

Chewbecca my Google search wasn’t that helpful. Here’s an example of what I found on Glassdoor - the headline figure of £95k is the same as what you found, however, from reading the commentary and studying the visual, the “most likely range” is indicated at £49k, with “possible range” stretching all the way to £858k (which is definitely not where I’d pitch the value of my skills and experience!) hence hoping somebody can provide some accurate insight.

Does anybody work at EY?
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Chewbecca · 11/10/2022 21:26

I don’t work for EY but we hire from there. The equivalent grade in my org is anything from early 70s to about 110 if you negotiate hard and are getting a promotion within grade (vs a grade promotion). This is banking / accounting in the city.

Bibbetybobbity · 11/10/2022 21:26

Ha ha ha ha ha @TreeLine6 , as if. No amount of company culture or gym membership is going to pay the mortgage, that’s ridiculous. It really puts me off applying when there’s no salary band. You’ve listed perfectly basic perks too!

Hapoydayz · 11/10/2022 21:29

Maybe try Accenture if EY are not being upfront and potentially wasting peoples time. It is a disadvantage to women when they do this

Kiwimommyinlondon · 11/10/2022 21:31

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

Absolute nonsense. ‘Attracted by the company culture’ - I think you’ll find for anyone with half a brain and any bit of ambition that the salary is hugely important. Nobody is going to change roles for less money just because you have a company book club/drinks on a Thursday/pizza on Fridays.

findingsomeone · 11/10/2022 21:32

A family member worked at EY and it was written into contracts that they couldn't discuss salaries with colleagues (although they did leave about four years ago). It was quite awkward when he got with his now wife, as she was a manager, as was he, but she had five years more experience, and he was earning a shit tonne more! Couldn't exactly hide it from each other when applying for a mortgage.

Downandout01 · 11/10/2022 21:33

Really shit recruitment approach imo. I wouldn't waste my time on a company that didn't give at least a pay range for the role I was looking at. Like PPs have also said- I've got bills to pay, I'm not working for the fun of it.... and certainly not prepared to take on jobs that pay me less than I'm worth for a bunch of mediocre at best 'perks'.

CanYouFeelMyHeart · 11/10/2022 21:37

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

This is such utter corporate bullshit. Everyone is money motivated because mortgages and food and stuff.

Just admit your company low balls people because they can, and they're happy to take the piss out of people whenever they get the opportunity.

tickticksnooze · 11/10/2022 21:38

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 11/10/2022 20:33

Sounds manipulative to me. "We're not interested in paying a fair market rate, we want suckers. If you're foolish enough to fall for our bullshit then we're pretty sure we can over-work you while also under-paying you."

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I think you just nailed the big4.

Littlepaleale · 11/10/2022 21:39

Eloise38 · 11/10/2022 21:08

This is a genuine question, why does it disadvantage women when companies don't advertise their salaries?

When salaries aren’t advertised, the salary offered will likely be based on the candidate’s previous salary rather than a fair salary for the role. This perpetuates gender and ethnicity pay gaps and also leads to salary negotiation, which typically men are more likely to do. There’s also a fair bit of evidence that advertising salary ranges leads to higher number of applicants from under-represented groups.

There’s increasing pressure for organisations to be more transparent about showing salary range for vacancies. Disappointing to hear that EY weren’t more open to giving at least a salary range. Ends up being a huge waste of everyone’s time.

Mushroo · 11/10/2022 21:50

@MrsKipling16 i expect the salary will be £70k - £80k(ish) outside of London, with London being £85k - £100k.

KurriKawari · 11/10/2022 21:56

I am seeing more and more job adverts that don't state salaries. And more recruiters asking for your salary before you can even progress.

C152 · 11/10/2022 21:57

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

That is an absolutely appalling policy. What candidate would waste their time without knowing the salary? People are "prepared to overlook a lower salary" when they're absolutely desparate. Then as soon as they get whatever they needed (experience, training, enough time to stop the baying wolf at the door), they'll be off like a shot for a role with a higher salary.

I'm sure (I hope) you have a more comprehensive benefits policy than the few benefits you've listed, but a free gym and childcare vouchers really doesn't cut it. Full funded family PMI is a good benefit but, on its own, in no way makes up for a shit salary.

ReturnOfTheMacdonalds · 11/10/2022 21:57

TreeLine6 · 11/10/2022 19:33

I don’t work at EY but I am a senior manager and company director. Our policy is not to provide salary details until a candidate is offered a role.

My experience is that candidates who are desperate to know salary details are very money-driven whereas we like our applicants to be attracted by our company culture and the role itself. In our experience, people are often prepared to overlook a lower salary once they get to know a company.

I would also say that salary is only one part of the picture. We offer for example free gym membership, private medical insurance and discounted childcare, which can really add up.

My mortgage provider didn’t care if I had a free gym membership, and you can’t pay bills with company culture.

KweenieBeanz · 11/10/2022 21:59

I refuse to apply for any job where the salary isn't stated. As PP have noted it usually denotes a company with a sizeable gender pay gap, or very unequal pay between people doing the same job. Usually the salary is also poor for the job. Same applies to 'competitive salary' - if it's so competitive, why not say what it is 😂😂😂

Companies who don't allow staff to discuss pay maintain this culture because it keeps pay down. You can't challenge for a pay rise based on a colleague being paid more when you aren't aware a colleague is paid more.