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Thread 16 Trussterfuck, big dog the aftermath

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DuncinToffee · 07/10/2022 09:30

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Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 22:01

Liz Truss tells the broadcasting pool tonight: “I recognise we have made mistakes. I’m sorry for those mistakes. But I’ve fixed the mistakes. I’ve appointed a new chancellor. We have restored economic stability and fiscal discipline”. All sorted, by her. In case you wondered

twitter.com/peston/status/1582114245432385536?s=46&t=o8-zNduWTcee8hqNNm25tg

Well that's alright then.

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 22:04

From the Guardian.

Anonymous briefings continue, however, the BBC’s political correspondent Iain Watson said one MP described her appearance as “the first time [they had] heard a corpse deliver its own eulogy”.

tobee · 17/10/2022 22:05

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 22:01

Liz Truss tells the broadcasting pool tonight: “I recognise we have made mistakes. I’m sorry for those mistakes. But I’ve fixed the mistakes. I’ve appointed a new chancellor. We have restored economic stability and fiscal discipline”. All sorted, by her. In case you wondered

twitter.com/peston/status/1582114245432385536?s=46&t=o8-zNduWTcee8hqNNm25tg

Well that's alright then.

👍

Nothing's changed. Nothing lost.

L1ttledrummergirl · 17/10/2022 22:13

I've just seen bbc and the interview. She can fuck off, apology is not accepted.

She is tone deaf, fucking clueless and the effects of what she has done has gone over her head.
That interview has enraged me, I wanted to slap the smirk off her face, and I'm not usually prone to violence.

She is deranged and so are those who follow her.

ClaudineClare · 17/10/2022 22:18

L1ttledrummergirl I had to turn it off, I couldn't stomach it. She has ruined lives, some people will end up losing their homes, their livelihoods because of her stupidity.

Hunt is a bastard too, make no mistake. He just looks good because he is currently surrounded by absolute psychopaths.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 22:23

I think it's a holding message whilst they work out what the bloody hell they do next.

Maybe she still thinks she's staying but a 5 min interview isn't anywhere near enough to pull her back.

ClaudineClare · 17/10/2022 22:24

Larry the cat summing up the arseholery of various ahem commentators.

twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1581323079611211776?s=20&t=GdQNJUaoxrxirelI-OzqZQ

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 22:39

POLL EXCLUSIVE

Tory members would vote for Rishi Sunak not Liz Truss as leader today

60% Sunak
40% Truss
(From members who shared a view)

Suggests the grassroots are turning.
(Polling by @JLPartnersPolls)

The Sun has the headline - The Ghost PM.

I'm going to assume the Mail will run something about Megan Markle or Strictly.

IrisVersicolor · 17/10/2022 22:55

40% of Tory members would vote for Truss? 😱

Has Putin joined the Tory members under lots of different usernames to undermine U.K. democracy?

IrisVersicolor · 17/10/2022 22:57

This must be the end of party members choosing leaders. The system gave us Corbyn and Johnson as well as Truss. May’s appointment didn’t go to the members as everyone else had dropped out.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 23:00

The 40% are interesting. I'm assuming a lot of them are blaming the Blob/AntiGrowthCoalition/Macron/Bill Gates/podcasts.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 23:05

"This must be the end of party members choosing leaders."

I agree. However, I'm wondering how much member subs make for each party/local partyand whether people would still want to become members if they don't get to choose the leader. It must be a big part of the draw to sign up.
Would the membership agree to have that right taken away or can it be a unilateral decision by the party?

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 23:21

I'm pretty sure it's all a matter for the 1922 Committee isn't it? Unless there is something written into the Tory party Constitution. Would be very interesting to know.

Under a Westminster system the PM must have the support of the majority of Parliament. So istm wrong to let anyone other than MPs have a vote on who the party leader should be.

scaredoff · 17/10/2022 23:38

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 23:05

"This must be the end of party members choosing leaders."

I agree. However, I'm wondering how much member subs make for each party/local partyand whether people would still want to become members if they don't get to choose the leader. It must be a big part of the draw to sign up.
Would the membership agree to have that right taken away or can it be a unilateral decision by the party?

Member subs for the Tories are surely inconsequential both because their membership numbers are low and the amounts dwarfed by what they get from wealthy individual and corporate donors. And the most significant of those donors are going to have their own backroom influence on such things that won't be compromised by the loss of the local Conservative Club wine & cheese night.

Member subs for Labour were highly significant under Corbyn but are becoming less so now that Starmer has decided that a mass membership is more of an annoyance than an asset.

The other possible solution of course is for more people to become party members. If all the self-proclaimed sensible moderates who don't like the way extremist politics nerds run our political parties actually put their money where their mouth is, got involved and added their voice, you'd have parties that better reflect the will of the population, a more joined up democracy and voters who are better informed about how things actually work.

Labour subs are not expensive and have generous discounts for low incomes. Don't know about Tory ones.

tobee · 17/10/2022 23:49

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 23:00

The 40% are interesting. I'm assuming a lot of them are blaming the Blob/AntiGrowthCoalition/Macron/Bill Gates/podcasts.

Similar to those who voted for Brexit? Absolutely do anything to not admit they made a mistake?

GreenLunchBox · 17/10/2022 23:52

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 22:04

From the Guardian.

Anonymous briefings continue, however, the BBC’s political correspondent Iain Watson said one MP described her appearance as “the first time [they had] heard a corpse deliver its own eulogy”.

🤣

Roussette · 18/10/2022 00:10

ClaudineClare · 17/10/2022 22:24

Larry the cat summing up the arseholery of various ahem commentators.

twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1581323079611211776?s=20&t=GdQNJUaoxrxirelI-OzqZQ

Lest we forget. I'm bookmarking this on Twitter because it's a very very different story from many of them now

GreenLunchBox · 18/10/2022 00:10

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/10/2022 20:32

If the Prime Minister was indisposed/otherwise engaged, why did the Deputy Prime Minister not stand in for her? I thought that was what Deputy PMs were for?

Also, twitterings that Johnny Mercer will cross the floor to Labour on Wednesday. He says Truss laughed when she dismissed him from his post as MoS for Veterans Affairs. www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-strength/a41639349/alastair-campbell-johnny-mercer-liz-truss-interview/

Yeah, what is the point of a deputy PM?

Raab didn't become emergency PM when Bozo was toppled- Bozo stayed in post until the new leader was appointed weeks later (🙄🤔)

And they're talking of not being able to get rid of Truss because there's no obvious successor. FFS whats the point of a deputy? I hope Dr Coffey doesn't receive an extra salary for being deputy.

Roussette · 18/10/2022 00:13

@scaredoff

Great post by you at 21.43. Wish I'd written it

DuncinToffee · 18/10/2022 08:44

They are back defending the indefensible, James Heappey

#KayBurley - So the whole cabinet all supported the mini budget before it was put to the HoC?

James Heappey - Yes

#KayBurley - So none of you knew what you were doing, so why on earth are you still running the country?

James Heappey - That's not fair comment..

BBCBreakfast

James Heappey tells @TimesRadio that, when the original mini-budget was revealed to cabinet, not a single person thought there would be any problems as a result of it or raised any concerns. That is quite the notion.

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newnamethanks · 18/10/2022 08:45

Deputy PM is Coffey? God's teeth. Better stick with Liz then. She seems determined to hang on until the Tory Party is as dead as the Whigs and she can exit leaving it's rotting remains. Suits me.

DuncinToffee · 18/10/2022 09:03

Maybe Coffey can take PMQs, like Raab did a few times. Angela Rayner will have fun.

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DuncinToffee · 18/10/2022 09:04

The Guardian is saying that from April, average energy bill forecast to hit £4,347 after Truss U-turn on support.

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ClaudineClare · 18/10/2022 10:49

DuncinToffee · 18/10/2022 09:04

The Guardian is saying that from April, average energy bill forecast to hit £4,347 after Truss U-turn on support.

I predict a u-turn on that particular u-turn, unless prices drop in the meantime. That is if the Tories are still in power by April.

DuncinToffee · 18/10/2022 10:54

A Historic Failure

twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1582303415576715265?t=cEMugUorI5AH8DClrkPZTw&s=19

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