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Thread 16 Trussterfuck, big dog the aftermath

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DuncinToffee · 07/10/2022 09:30

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jgw1 · 17/10/2022 19:47

icelolly12 · 17/10/2022 19:44

What a horrible little country we've become

@icelolly12 and why do you think that?

icelolly12 · 17/10/2022 19:52

@jgw1 To treat people like machines rather than human beings. People work and deserve a decent pension in their old age, it is looking more likely that retirement will be a thing of the past at this rate- we will have to work until we drop down dead. This small state agenda doesn't serve anyone other than the top 1%

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 19:52

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 19:44

It's utter rubbish.

It's spot on.

Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 19:55

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 19:52

It's spot on.

Sadly, it is.

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 19:56

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 19:52

It's spot on.

It's a Twitter attention-grabbing conspiracy theory. The sort of thing that, like Qanon, is the bane of modern politics. It stops people thinking.

I don't doubt that the Britannia Unchained crowd have just shot themselves in the foot but to describe it as the culmination of a fifty year plan (presumably involving joining the EC and then going oops) is silly.

jgw1 · 17/10/2022 19:57

icelolly12 · 17/10/2022 19:52

@jgw1 To treat people like machines rather than human beings. People work and deserve a decent pension in their old age, it is looking more likely that retirement will be a thing of the past at this rate- we will have to work until we drop down dead. This small state agenda doesn't serve anyone other than the top 1%

Plebs should know their place and doff their cap to their superiors.

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 20:00

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 19:56

It's a Twitter attention-grabbing conspiracy theory. The sort of thing that, like Qanon, is the bane of modern politics. It stops people thinking.

I don't doubt that the Britannia Unchained crowd have just shot themselves in the foot but to describe it as the culmination of a fifty year plan (presumably involving joining the EC and then going oops) is silly.

Anyone who thinks it’s just a twitter attention-grabbing conspiracy theory clearly hasn’t been paying attention.

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 20:01

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 20:00

Anyone who thinks it’s just a twitter attention-grabbing conspiracy theory clearly hasn’t been paying attention.

Anyone who thinks things work like that has been spending too much time on Twitter.

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 20:04

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 20:01

Anyone who thinks things work like that has been spending too much time on Twitter.

Anyone who dismisses this kind of threat is clearly part of the problem.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 20:15

"Will Jeremy Hunt's spending cuts be a return to austerity? He tells me he hopes not as bad as Cameron's austerity but "I don't want to minimise how tough these decisions are and I don't want to pretend that they won't be on the spending side as well as on the taxes going up side"

twitter.com/peston/status/1582083013373935616?s=46&t=nTOB_jaKM-93BiMo3BdDJA

Hopes it's not as bad...

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 20:17

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 20:04

Anyone who dismisses this kind of threat is clearly part of the problem.

And anyone who identities threats by reading Twitter is pointing their guns in the wrong direction.

Who is he, anyway?

Theskyisfullofbirds · 17/10/2022 20:22

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 20:17

And anyone who identities threats by reading Twitter is pointing their guns in the wrong direction.

Who is he, anyway?

And what makes you think I use twitter to formulate my views? This just happens to be one particular channel used to express this disquiet that was linked to on this thread. Doesn’t mean it’s not a valid point of view.

Wheresthebeach · 17/10/2022 20:28

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 19:24

@Wheresthebeach

I was a Lib Dem activist back in the days of St Paddy so my observations may be out of date.

The issue for the Lib Dems outside elections (except in the 2000s) was always lack of media coverage. So opinion polls tended to put the LD vote share low because people a) forgot about the LDs and b) answered on the basis of their preferred government, not on the actual options in their own constituency. It would therefore increase in election time, particularly as the party was very good at targeting key constituencies. Whether that's still true depends on whether the party has the membership it had then.

@TomPinch You’ve definitely got a point about exposure in MSM. But they don’t seem to be making an impact on social media either - and that’s within their ability (although budgets are always an issue)

BoreOfWhabylon · 17/10/2022 20:32

If the Prime Minister was indisposed/otherwise engaged, why did the Deputy Prime Minister not stand in for her? I thought that was what Deputy PMs were for?

Also, twitterings that Johnny Mercer will cross the floor to Labour on Wednesday. He says Truss laughed when she dismissed him from his post as MoS for Veterans Affairs. www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-strength/a41639349/alastair-campbell-johnny-mercer-liz-truss-interview/

Lonelycrab · 17/10/2022 20:32

Anyone who thinks things work like that has been spending too much time on Twitter

No I don’t think so, there’s a lot of truth in that post. The fact you’re ignoring what is being said when the basic ideas are pretty much common sense maybe means you’re not paying attention.

It was always going to be a car crash. This is the bit where government hits the central barrier at 90mph and flips. And here we are.

Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 20:37

Excellent. Good for Mercer, kicking him out of the job he did superlatively well was a real low point in a very crowded field. I hope some of his saner colleagues follow him.

AutumnCrow · 17/10/2022 20:47

The Lib Dems do remarkably well in local elections. Not so much in the GE, because of our electoral system. Even when they had their spike in popularity under Vince Cable, they couldn't convert it into the seats they should have had and Nick clegg twatted it up in coalition.

Good on pot holes, though.

Notonthestairs · 17/10/2022 20:57

Ben Wallace has said he doesn't want to be PM. I'll confess I'm surprised that he hadn't been pressurised in to it.

twitter.com/timespolitics/status/1582097902687506432?s=46&t=o8-zNduWTcee8hqNNm25tg

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 21:00

Lonelycrab · 17/10/2022 20:32

Anyone who thinks things work like that has been spending too much time on Twitter

No I don’t think so, there’s a lot of truth in that post. The fact you’re ignoring what is being said when the basic ideas are pretty much common sense maybe means you’re not paying attention.

It was always going to be a car crash. This is the bit where government hits the central barrier at 90mph and flips. And here we are.

The other problem with Twitter is that it reduces people's comprehension skills. What I think is silly is the idea of a secret 50-year plot by Sauron to take over the Shire and sell all the hobbits into slavery. Not that Sauron isn't up to anything now.

Sure there's been a move towards economic liberalisation over that time. It's a massive social phenomenon that went hand in hand with liberalisation of social attitudes, the swinging 60s, the permissive society, baby boomers and so forth, and much more recently the belief that it's OK to be obscenely rich. A lot of ink has been spilled on this very complicated subject and reducing it to a bizarre plot to get some twitter likes isn't worth anyone's attention.

Once again- who is he? A professor somewhere?

Roussette · 17/10/2022 21:08

I imagine that Twitter thread I linked to, hit a nerve for you ?
Who is anyone on Twitter, he has a theory he set it out and I think that there is an element of truth in it

Let's just hope the shadowy ERG are toast

the80sweregreat · 17/10/2022 21:17

Do you know what?
They won't let the Scots have another referendum
They won't change their mind about brexit or even the single market
Another referendum on that won't happen either
They will not call a General Election
Yet. Yet , they can do more u turns than a teenager in a souped up car down southend seafront on their own policies and every one has to suck it up ..
Shame on them all

Elodie09 · 17/10/2022 21:31

If Tory MP's still want to be MP's in the future they need to cross the floor with Johnny Mercer.
I'm sick of hearing that we won't get a GE before January 2025, we will, for sure.

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 21:40

Roussette · 17/10/2022 21:08

I imagine that Twitter thread I linked to, hit a nerve for you ?
Who is anyone on Twitter, he has a theory he set it out and I think that there is an element of truth in it

Let's just hope the shadowy ERG are toast

Sure it hit a nerve and I reckon I've explained why. But I'll drink to the destruction of the ERG. 🍺

scaredoff · 17/10/2022 21:43

Sure there's been a move towards economic liberalisation over that time. It's a massive social phenomenon that went hand in hand with liberalisation of social attitudes, the swinging 60s, the permissive society, baby boomers and so forth, and much more recently the belief that it's OK to be obscenely rich. A lot of ink has been spilled on this very complicated subject and reducing it to a bizarre plot to get some twitter likes isn't worth anyone's attention.

That doesn't make sense. The swinging 60s and permissive 70s were accompanied by the precise opposite economic tendency that you claim. Labour were returned to power in the UK after a long period of Tory hegemony and socialism was popular again. In the USA the 60s were dominated by the Democrat presidencies of civil rights-loving JFK and then LBJ with a vastly increased government role in public services and alleviating poverty. Australia got its most left wing government ever, before or since, led by Whitlam in 1972.

By contrast, the economic liberalism which as we know it really took over from the 1980s under Thatcher and Reagan worked hand in glove with reactionary social forces. Thatcher opposing section 28 and defending apartheid; the Christian right in America selling capitalist self-reliance as part-and-parcel with God, the family and American apple pie; Farage et. al. steering us out of the E.U. so we can go back to a vision of a white 1950s Britain where you could call a black man a n*** and not have to worry about the "woke brigade" sticking their noses in.

'Twas ever thus. Economic liberalism and social conservatism are constant happy bedfellows, because the latter provides a comforting mythology of belonging (through unquestioned cultural understandings and "family values") to compensate for the economic security that the former takes away.

TomPinch · 17/10/2022 22:00

Think again. Increased regulation began in the late 40s as part of post-war settlement, in a very conservative society. Things like the mines and the railways etc were nationalised then. That settlement began to come under pressure in the 70s and the baby boomers, by then starting to vote in large numbers turned against it.

In other countries it was the social liberals who liberalised the economy.

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