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Were you taught social niceties as a child?

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tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 19:19

This may seem strange but watching the Queen's funeral reminded me of something I have been curious about. For background I am a woman, over 60, my mother died young and my father was unsocial to say the least. Relatively recently I noticed that many if not most women automatically reach behind and make a smoothing motion over their hips and thighs when sitting down even when wearing trousers. I have only become aware of this from watching television hence my mention of QE's funeral coverage. I notice Charlotte did it on getting into their car on leaving the funeral and her mother also. I honestly have no idea if most women do this in daily life or how they know to do it. Presumably taught by mothers/female relatives but has it always been so? I mean were others my age consciously taught and passed it on or has it developed more recently? I never understood about handshaking either: when and how to do it, who starts and finishes it , why so much significance is assigned to it.

To be clear I am not worried about this just curious if parents generally consciously teach such niceties and how they know how to do it.

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Meklk · 26/09/2022 20:39

My parents - no. But my grandpa's second wife was Jewish and she had excellent manners. I learned everything from her. It helped me lots of times in my life. She learned me not only good manners but some behaviour too - no crying in public, no staring, etc.

ColonelCarter · 26/09/2022 20:40

No I wasn't. I was at a significant disadvantage at uni because of it. I'm conscious to teach my children.

tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 20:42

I had the eye contact thing as well, always told to look at people when they spoke etc. I never understood it until again watching the old style Big Brother when they had psychological commentary and analysed eye movements. An Egyptian friend told me I had 'escaping eyes' when younger. Paradoxically I now know how to look at people and make polite social chit chat so they comment it's a pleasure to meet me but I feel like an imposter. Which shows the lasting impact of upbringing I suppose.

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Ragwort · 26/09/2022 20:47

My DPs were/are very strict on good manners and social niceties... my DF would still stand up if my DM entered the room up until his death at 90, he had the best manners of anyone I know. I am grateful for them for modelling 'good manners', I never feel awkward in social situations or meeting new people, I have a strong sense of self esteem and I think it comes from understanding the 'norms' of social behaviour. I hope we've bought our DS up to be the same and to be honest he is very confident and good at meeting new people etc etc.
A few years ago I started a new job, I hadn't met my manager since she'd interviewed me but I immediately stood up and shook hands - she was clearly uncomfortable but that was a perfectly normal way to behave to me. Confused.

ShortOfShorts · 26/09/2022 20:47

Yes. Lots of ‘what do we say…?’ to prompt me to say please or thank you. An explanation of why I had to look and sound pleased about a present to the giver, even if I didn’t like it.

Table manners, how and when to stand up and make space for someone to get past me at the theatre or cinema, when to stay silent and when to clap at concerts, how to sit still and look interested even if bored and thinking about something else entirely.

CatchersAndDreams · 26/09/2022 20:52

How do you all do social chit chat? I end up talking about myself too much and telling embarrassing stories to make people laugh. I'd much rather do nice chit chat!

Benjispruce4 · 26/09/2022 20:53

You ask about the other person and listen and nod.

UserNameNameNameUser · 26/09/2022 20:55

Yes, I was taught at home and made to study Debrett’s, but also had etiquette (and even elocution) lessons at school.

Bumpsadaisie · 26/09/2022 20:56

Well yes.

I teach my children

  • if we are out and an adult acquaintance says hello to look them in the eye and say I'm well thank you.
  • if they shake hands to shake hands firmly and look the person in the eye
  • my son to take his hat off in church
  • if someone visits and comes into the room to stand up briefly and say hello politely before getting on with what they were doing
  • to use cutlery correctly
  • to sit up straight at the table
  • to wait till everyone is served
  • not to grab the last roast potato
Ragwort · 26/09/2022 20:56

Most social chit chat is just asking lots of questions to other people ... most people love talking about themselves. But make sure the questions aren't intrusive and I always avoid talking about politics & religion ... at least until you know someone reasonably well. Grin. I do actually talk about religion (but not in a heavy way) as I meet a lot of people through church activities.

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/09/2022 20:57

I was taught.

gave me social anxiety. I was so worried about not getting things “right”, or breaking some social rule that I got to the point where I stopped going out, or at least avoided formal situations.

i know most of the rules, and generally follow them, but if someone else doesn’t know I don’t give a shit. I’d rather spend time with people who just have fun, and don’t care if a five year old grabs a bread bun before they’re supposed to.

i have some very posh friends, high end boarding school. It’s all very natural to them, as is knowing correct forms of address, grammar etc.

Bumpsadaisie · 26/09/2022 20:58

I also try to model taking an interest in people we meet out and about - I also them about themselves and listen.

CatchersAndDreams · 26/09/2022 20:59

What do you say to ask about the other person?

My banalities of - nice weather/ nice holiday?/where are you from are boring. I then dry up and have nothing else to ask.

Benjispruce4 · 26/09/2022 21:02

@Reallyreallyborednow I feel the opposite. DM always taught me what to say in situations so that you’re not short of something to say.
It’s noticeable when others lack in that area. When my DD was about 13, a friend came to the door to give her a present but said nothing. DD took the gift as handed to her and because the girl said nothing DD absentmindedly said “Happy birthday!” 😂We often laugh at that still.

tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 21:05

"A few years ago I started a new job, I hadn't met my manager since she'd interviewed me but I immediately stood up and shook hands - she was clearly uncomfortable but that was a perfectly normal way to behave to me. Confused."

Ragwort, this is just the kind of situation I mean about my discomfort with handshaking from the other side. One reason why I felt more comfortable in lockdown - not only avoiding this personally but not having to see others doing it on TV. I really liked watching socially distanced programmes and felt more relaxed.

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tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 21:12

CatchersandDreams, as someone who has been there, I'd say don't worry. If you are asking the other person about themselves you are doing fine. They may be shy and not know how to answer but everyone appreciates genuine interest. It doesn't actually matter what you are talking about just show willing and , I hate to say it, look them in the eyes occasionally.

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CatchersAndDreams · 26/09/2022 21:20

I have no issue with being shy or looking someone in the eye. I literally just don't know how to make small talk without talking about myself 😂 or I ask way to personal questions. I don't know how to do the inbetween and say widly inappropriate things.

tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 21:22

Benjispruce4 · 26/09/2022 21:02

@Reallyreallyborednow I feel the opposite. DM always taught me what to say in situations so that you’re not short of something to say.
It’s noticeable when others lack in that area. When my DD was about 13, a friend came to the door to give her a present but said nothing. DD took the gift as handed to her and because the girl said nothing DD absentmindedly said “Happy birthday!” 😂We often laugh at that still.

Ah, Benjispruce4, that reminds me of when I was invited to a birthday party aged about 12. I had somehow learnt you should take a present so I went to Woolworths and bought some chocolates in the pouring rain. But then I was too self-conscious to tell my family I was going and had to walk there in the rain nearly 2 miles as I had spent my bus money. I don't remember the party or if they thought I was funny arriving so wet.

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tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 21:27

CatchersAndDreams · 26/09/2022 21:20

I have no issue with being shy or looking someone in the eye. I literally just don't know how to make small talk without talking about myself 😂 or I ask way to personal questions. I don't know how to do the inbetween and say widly inappropriate things.

OK, then maybe you need to work on embracing the boring and bland. After all it worked for QE11. Won't guarantee you a state funeral though. Seriously, think of how much of anyone's life is repetitive and boring and accept that's all you need to share.

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tomorrowalready · 26/09/2022 23:18

Ah well, there we go, proved my point about not learning social niceties properly and killed my own thread with misplaced sarcasm. I'd just like to shake everybody's' distanced hands and thank you for coming.

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GobbolinoTheWitchesCat · 26/09/2022 23:23

Agree the smoothing of clothes isn't something I was taught, just something you pick up.
As to handshakes etc, I was taught yes. My parents were strict about manners but as an adult I've picked up other things that totally escaped me growing up.

If it's something you want to learn/feel more comfortable with, op, I'm sure there's loads of etiquette books/courses/online stuff. Lots of people do them for work purposes.

LemonadePockets · 26/09/2022 23:25

My grandmother taught me to do this, she always wore skirts but I tend to do it no matter what I’m wearing. I do it when I stand up too in case anything has stuck to me

DinosApple · 26/09/2022 23:35

Yes, I was taught social niceties, I'm nearly 40.

My parents and grandparents always had family over so even though I was shy we always did hellos and good byes, making polite conversation, eating correctly, sitting knees together, saying pleases and thank yous etc.
Children always sat on the floor at family gatherings or gave up seats for the elderly relations. And we were always made use of - children always offered the cake and napkins around, took tea/coffee to guests, laid tables, washed up/dried up etc.

But, my own children don't have the extended family gatherings that I was raised with so have had much less exposure to family social occasions. And we are much less strict.
DH and DD2 are left handed and DD1 has dyslexia and can't retain left and right nor which is a tablespoon, dessert spoon or teaspoon. The table is never set correctly, unless I do it myself - and then everyone swaps it around 😆.

Luredbyapomegranate · 26/09/2022 23:37

Hand shakes, please, thank you, polite small talk, eye contact, table manners, how to set a table.. I was taught all that.

Skirt smoothing - no, I think you just do that because it’s uncomfortable otherwise and/or you’ve seen other people do it.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/09/2022 23:50

Not taught it at all at home. But that was because she didn't want me comfortable with other people or ever liked by them.

I did have a very patient retired lady at my infant school who came in to do activities like embroidery, who also managed to slip in some very subtle instructions for the feral little oik I was at the time. To be honest, I was already fascinated by her perfect white bob, tailored trousers and polo necks, makeup and jewellery, and the scent of soap and handcream, so I would have tried to copy her irrespective of her advice.