Worried again re the B's aka Putins sick threats

[Raul57]

I was awfully worried first time around re Putins nuke threats.

This time around I'm more worried as Putin is in a corner and our PM is known for blabbering stuff.

From wht I can see most of the Russian troops do not want to fight and not becuse they don't have guts but the real reason that they know this invasion is a sham

I've read on various sites some Russians are leaving Moscow etc as many more ex service men being called up.

Both sides have lost many people inc children.

I blame both sides but more so Putin as he is a nasty, weak, decrepit b.
You will always get people disagree with the other EG Scotland we speak the same lingo, eat the same food, look the same but imagine if Scotland had its own armed militias as you get extremists on both sides. Look at NI.

A fact not all are aware of the previous PM in the Ukraine was pro Russia and during the elections USA senetaros aka MP's were over in the Ukraine when the current PM won. Imagine Scotland having another referendum and we had MP's from China and Russia wooing the Scots. For this reason I blame the west.

Politics is a dirty game and the losers are the ordianry people inc most of the soldiers who only joined up to earn a living.

I bet you if Putin, Truss, Binden were pushed to the front line to lead the charge, they would soon change their minds re fighting and talk as would most other world leaders

As Russian media is more heavily controlled than ours, I can appreciate many of the Russians hearing about X wanting a referendum and joining Russia to protect it's people - this is what the west is doing protecting Ukraine from evil Putin and a lot of Russians see it like that for their side mainly due to the mis-info served up by Putin and his B's

To be in Russia and stand up to Putin could result in jail or worse and I'm sure that even many at the top want Putin out but too fearful to say anyhting

I fear a misunderstanding and as Tuss has a big mouth and rarely does anything quietly re Ukraine, I fear that England is a bigger target, main target for Putin and if we were nuked, I bet you USA and France would hold off in the hope of do nothing and be safe.

I'm not sure what to do but fearful especially for our children and grandkids.

There is also a massive possibility of a nuclear power stattion being hit in the Ukraine and this will affect the west and Russia but as we all know, Putin does not care he and his cronies will be safe just like other world leaders

If I was younger, I'd be on thestreets demanding all world leaders in the even of conflict led from the front on the front line and I'm confident the world would be a safer place as most of them are armchair woarriors and have bukers full to the brim with food/meds/etc.

Actually I'm very angry and I don't often wish this but I hope someone takes out Putin then after that both sides behave and not meddle in another country (Just look at what Libya has been turned into as well as Iraq - they may have had leaders our lot were not happy with just like they were not happy with ours but the countries are now dustbins and millions are suffering)

True!

"Give your enemy a golden bridge to retreat across"

A way needs to be found for Putin to end the war in Ukraine without losing face.

Putin will soon have more internal problems to worry about. The war is not going well. I've a friend in Moscow who says this mobilisation is very unpopular. He can't launch nuclear weapons in his own and nuking a western country would be suicide.

I totally agree he needs a way out and soon sadly I think Truss will end up pissing him off again

Do you think Putin has read the art of war? Not many megalomaniacs seem to have been given their copies throughout history.

Nuclear bunkers are all very well but you have to come out of them at some point

I doubt it would placate

He comes across as someone who would happily live out his days smugly in a bunker unfortunately

Putin had the perfect opportunity to create chaos on Monday with so many world leaders gathered in one place.
He isn't that stupid. He knows one tiny foot wrong the world will turn on him.
As he has been referred to upthread, he is a bully! Bullies will only do what they can get away with.
Ukraine, he has had sanctions placed on him...he would have already prepared for that.
A bully will only pick on the little people (who can't easily fight back and who's siblings will only threaten a beating)
A bully will not pick on another big kid with bigger siblings who will fight.
Putin right now is clasping his water retention filled hands watching the rest of world worry.

This is my opinion...i bloody hope I am right!

Or attack a nuke power plant and blame the Ukraine and see what happens.

If I was PM, I'd give him a way out via UN troops and put pressure on Ukraines leader to accept as the alternative is no one wins/lives as we know it today.

Better still I'd take him out and demand all leaders led any conflict from the front line trenches and not a bunker and that would result in long-lasting peace.

Everyone that is saying "putin is not stupid" etc, he is not I agree as he is sick in the head and pushed into a corner he will attack a nuke plant or tactial nuke or a misunderstaing on his or wests side resulting in MAD.

He is old and males sadly don't live for too long after reaching 70 on average in Russia and he has nothing to lose as if he backs down that will be seen as his failure and weakness and he will be taken out by his own so his no option but to win which he can't

Two things reassure me:

1. if he sent nukes in our direction Trident's would be in the air before his hit us. He knows this.

2. whatever button he has to push is unlikely to release a nuke. There will be other people involved. I very much doubt it will go as smoothly as everyone thinks.

@ElegantlyTouched

Thanks - re point 1 = see my above argument ie he does not care as backing down, losing will result inhis death so nuke option it is.

point 2 - that has reassured me a bit but don't forget every leader is supported by like minded nasty villains and he always has a few just like any leader hence remaining in power. by hook or by crook

i cant believe he hasnt been taken out and im praying it happens soon
my worry is the speculation he is very ill if that's the case he has nothing to loose

men like him dont like to be laughed at and he takes no prisoners i fear he could use nuclear,hes old and ill not a good outcome this could be his parting shot so to speak,he wants to go down in history and im worried that nuclear could be what does it

Guarantee his wives and children dont to want to live in a bunker. Same with his rich friends. Yachts, chalets and villas are much nicer.

He is losing, some of his mates are turning against him, and nothing is going right for hi so he has a choice between been taken out by Libays' Col Gadaffi or using nukes. - he has nothing to lose as he is old and will die anyway pretty soon.

For the record I do not blame Putin alone, to an extent I blame the west as per my OP

Sadly I think some are worse. Wasn’t some bonkers Russian military person saying that the Queen’s funeral should have been nuked?

Op calm down. Firstly nuclear weapons are deterrents for a reason. The policy is mutual destruction. If Russia launched the west would fire back, Russia cease to exist seconds after we did. It won’t happen. We have satellites trained and would know they’d fired a split second after they did it. Plus he can’t do it alone, it takes three people. And they all have families and a desire to survive.

secondly they won’t take him out. For two reasons. You can’t just kill him because he’s at war with Ukraine and talks shite. And secondly the person who take over if someone did, there are eleven possible choices, will be worse. He is surrounded by very very dangerous men. Who make him look like Mary poppins.

Putin, a 'good guy'.

Really? On what grounds?

I hope everyone who called for our trident defence to be scrapped is reading this thread.

Ah.

A both sides shill.

Let me make this clear. Putin did not have to invade Ukraine. He did not have to encourage systematic execution, rape and torture of Ukrainians who aren't pro-Russian enough for his tastes. He did not have to target Ukrainian civilians. He did not need to raise Mariupol. If he really wanted to he could engineer a withdrawal by turning it into some sort of tactical victory. He does not wish to.

Ukraine never had a choice.

If we believe in democracy and integrity of borders we did not have a choice.

All the speech is about is winding up western shills who know fuck all and care even less about Ukrainians. Anything as long as they don't have to think about difficult subjects and can go about pretending everything is nice in their western bubble.

Reality check: Putin could bomb us. He hasn't though has he? Even Putin has concerns about the implications of doing so. And even Putin has to go through a process to fire nukes. Nukes that possibly aren't maintained. Like the rest of his army. Cos the country is so corrupt, everyone stole money that was supposed to be used for maintenance.

If Putin tries to fire a nuke, it could well end up like shooting himself in the foot. Without the west lifting a finger.

The man is having a toddler paddy, because he isnt getting his own way. Don't aid and abet him because you are more concerned about your selfish little safe bubble being burst.

I hope threads like this. The ignorance and appeasement is off the scale.

the Prisoner swap come as a surprise, however all I keep seeing everywhere is generals and people in the knew thinking this threat from putin is different and he may well carry out his threats,

If all the generals just disappeared I'd be more worried....that they'd scurried off to their bunkers.

how likely do we
think after putins speech that putin sooner or later will nuke the uk? I’m not trying to scaremonger, I genuinely want to know thoughts.

Well it's always a worry, and I have started threads myself in the past about it. But realistically speaking....why would he, it would be suicide because he'd get the same back at him. If he was really going to do it why would he put NATO on high alert, you'd think he'd keep it to himself.