Worried again re the B's aka Putins sick threats

[Raul57]

I was awfully worried first time around re Putins nuke threats.

This time around I'm more worried as Putin is in a corner and our PM is known for blabbering stuff.

From wht I can see most of the Russian troops do not want to fight and not becuse they don't have guts but the real reason that they know this invasion is a sham

I've read on various sites some Russians are leaving Moscow etc as many more ex service men being called up.

Both sides have lost many people inc children.

I blame both sides but more so Putin as he is a nasty, weak, decrepit b.
You will always get people disagree with the other EG Scotland we speak the same lingo, eat the same food, look the same but imagine if Scotland had its own armed militias as you get extremists on both sides. Look at NI.

A fact not all are aware of the previous PM in the Ukraine was pro Russia and during the elections USA senetaros aka MP's were over in the Ukraine when the current PM won. Imagine Scotland having another referendum and we had MP's from China and Russia wooing the Scots. For this reason I blame the west.

Politics is a dirty game and the losers are the ordianry people inc most of the soldiers who only joined up to earn a living.

I bet you if Putin, Truss, Binden were pushed to the front line to lead the charge, they would soon change their minds re fighting and talk as would most other world leaders

As Russian media is more heavily controlled than ours, I can appreciate many of the Russians hearing about X wanting a referendum and joining Russia to protect it's people - this is what the west is doing protecting Ukraine from evil Putin and a lot of Russians see it like that for their side mainly due to the mis-info served up by Putin and his B's

To be in Russia and stand up to Putin could result in jail or worse and I'm sure that even many at the top want Putin out but too fearful to say anyhting

I fear a misunderstanding and as Tuss has a big mouth and rarely does anything quietly re Ukraine, I fear that England is a bigger target, main target for Putin and if we were nuked, I bet you USA and France would hold off in the hope of do nothing and be safe.

I'm not sure what to do but fearful especially for our children and grandkids.

There is also a massive possibility of a nuclear power stattion being hit in the Ukraine and this will affect the west and Russia but as we all know, Putin does not care he and his cronies will be safe just like other world leaders

If I was younger, I'd be on thestreets demanding all world leaders in the even of conflict led from the front on the front line and I'm confident the world would be a safer place as most of them are armchair woarriors and have bukers full to the brim with food/meds/etc.


Actually I'm very angry and I don't often wish this but I hope someone takes out Putin then after that both sides behave and not meddle in another country (Just look at what Libya has been turned into as well as Iraq - they may have had leaders our lot were not happy with just like they were not happy with ours but the countries are now dustbins and millions are suffering)

[Greenhillsfaraway]

I know 😞

[TarasHarp55]

@Greenhillsfaraway

Why is the UK being targeted? I know Liz big mouth Truss is not helping ! I am wondering whether to take the kids and get the hell out of it whilst we can , a few months in New Zealand perhaps 😂 None of my friends mention it at all , ignorance is bliss as they say !!

But where would you go after a few months in New Zealand? There'd be nothing left of the UK, or anywhere for that matter.

[Greenhillsfaraway]

Why is the UK being targeted? I know Liz big mouth Truss is not helping ! I am wondering whether to take the kids and get the hell out of it whilst we can , a few months in New Zealand perhaps 😂 None of my friends mention it at all , ignorance is bliss as they say !!

[Thereisnolight]

@AriadnesWeb

I see the Russian bots are busy tonight on this thread.....

Who’s a Russian bot?

[notimagain]

No I won't stop.....nobody made you thread police and sometimes some rationality and a few facts them need to be injected into the debate.

The whole raison d'etre of the UK Independent Strategic Deterrent, right from the days of the V-Force through Polaris through Trident was to prevent exactly the sort of scenario you and others seem to be wanting to deliberately try and frighten people with - the UK being isolated and left standing alone whilst US/France/NATO decide not to act.

Rightly or wrongly a lot of cash has been spent over the decades making sure the UK deterrent remains credible and most especially would be effective against the Russian capital (cf. the Moscow Criterion), command and control centers and other places of interests.

You have no idea what percentage of the UK system (or the Russian system) would work, I don't, and nobody who knows the current nuts and bolts of this would be posting here...

Fundamentally the Russians trying to take on the UK on it's own is likely to lead to national disaster for them as well as us, the politicians will know that, and that should be seen a some form of reassurance, albeit perhaps minor, for those in the UK hearing some of the alarming stories doing the rounds.

Ignoring or playing down the UKs capability in this context in this conflict is scaremongering (at best)..

[JamesBondOO7]

@notimagain

France and the USA ie the only others with nukes will cower when the uk is nuked in the hope they are not directly targeted, trust me.

Fortunately for the UK it doesn't matter what France and the US would or wouldn't do in such circumstances.

Russia would be screwed given the UK and Trident.....and that will be something Russian decision makers will be very much taking into consideration.

Please syop. Russia is a massive count, close to 40% of the world's landmass. How do you know all of our nukes work, you don't but russia has close to 6500 nukes we have 124 - work the percentages and the landmass.

We are in very dangerous times, especially with an fully incompetent big mouthed leader in number 10.

To stop any dispute one needs to be diplomatic and Truss clearly lacks diplomatic skills and the russians hate her

The real deals are behind doors but truss has a way of upsetting most.

[JamesBondOO7]

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

Ah another ‘both sides’ shill. Well done, you had me going for one whole post.

NATO will retaliate. To do otherwise would be to basically hand Putin a crown and tell him he’s king of the world now, as the only person willing to use nukes.
It’s not about sticking up for their little ally England, it’s about their own long term interests, which do not include letting Putin get away with nuclear mass murder.

No, it is about self preservation. If putin and his cronies did attack the uk like I said, frand and usa would sit on their hands waiting and watching in the hope non are launched at them.

Putin and his cronies will then be taken out by his own and this would be another chapter in world history where the planet was nearly nuked to kingdom come but saved by the french and usa looking at the bigger picture.

I fear a misunderstanding, false flag launch, computer hack etc resulting in nukes being launched.

The sooner this is resolved the better and in the short term the only way to stop putin is to negotiate then build on that and remove putin and his like via his own people and build up defences that does not allow stuff like russia walking into the crimea happening again

[Druyhbf]

Russian does not need to send nukes.The UK government are doing a fine job of destroying our country on their own.

[notimagain]

France and the USA ie the only others with nukes will cower when the uk is nuked in the hope they are not directly targeted, trust me.

Fortunately for the UK it doesn't matter what France and the US would or wouldn't do in such circumstances.

Russia would be screwed given the UK and Trident.....and that will be something Russian decision makers will be very much taking into consideration.

[CaptainBarbosa]

I don't worry about things I can't control 🤣 it's how I get through life.

I'm in no way shape or form, in a position to stop a nuke coming at me from Russia, therefore I don't worry about it. If it happens, not my fault, if it doesn't happen great, but I had nothing to do with that.

All I hope is if a nuke is sent, I can die instantly rather than weeks later if radiation poisoning please.

[Idroppedthescrewinthetuna]

@Ladyofthemanor11 I am glad I am not alone!

[Ladyofthemanor11]

@Idroppedthescrewinthetuna I was literally going to type something similar to you!

[Idroppedthescrewinthetuna]

Sorry, just seen all the posts about UK being nuked. Can we not believe that please. I'm trying to live in sweet denial he will nuke anywhere.

[TheCountessofFitzdotterel]

@JamesBondOO7

France and the USA ie the only others with nukes will cower when the uk is nuked in the hope they are not directly targeted, trust me.

I'm not sure what the solution is other than someo take putin and his three cronies out then lock up those in the west that goad russia over the years - politicians are all the same in it for themselves

Leaders shoul lead all battles from the front line and not hide in bunkers etc while sending thousands of young men to their deaths.

Ah another ‘both sides’ shill. Well done, you had me going for one whole post.

NATO will retaliate. To do otherwise would be to basically hand Putin a crown and tell him he’s king of the world now, as the only person willing to use nukes.
It’s not about sticking up for their little ally England, it’s about their own long term interests, which do not include letting Putin get away with nuclear mass murder.

[JamesBondOO7]

@TarasHarp55

All hearsay of course. That's just one scenario, won't necessarily happen that way, and why assassinate him after he's done all that, why not before.

France and the USA ie the only others with nukes will cower when the uk is nuked in the hope they are not directly targeted, trust me.

I'm not sure what the solution is other than someo take putin and his three cronies out then lock up those in the west that goad russia over the years - politicians are all the same in it for themselves

Leaders shoul lead all battles from the front line and not hide in bunkers etc while sending thousands of young men to their deaths.

[Notfeelingwise]

@notimagain

I guarantee if Russia nuked us that NATO would back off not get involved . We would be seen as very unfortunate but they would make it clear they don’t want to escalate to ww3.

Um...so....Russia nukes UK. Whatever element of UKs Trident fleet is at sea sends in return well over 100 warheads PDQ.

Makes what NATO would or wouldn't do in that scenario a bit irrelevant, let alone thoughts of escalation........

True. I just feel like we can’t count on NATO s support in an extreme situation

[notimagain]

I guarantee if Russia nuked us that NATO would back off not get involved . We would be seen as very unfortunate but they would make it clear they don’t want to escalate to ww3.

Um...so....Russia nukes UK. Whatever element of UKs Trident fleet is at sea sends in return well over 100 warheads PDQ.

Makes what NATO would or wouldn't do in that scenario a bit irrelevant, let alone thoughts of escalation........

[Notfeelingwise]

@CentrifugalBumblePuppy

Even in the 80s (in the time of publications & Govt war planning), like Operation Square Leg - determining the supplies, help & government ability in a limited nuclear assault on London, a full MAD scenario would be preceded by the use of smaller, battlefield nukes in the theatre of war.

It has never really been ‘one nuke & off we all go with everybody sending them flying!’ scenario.

There has never been global consensus on No First Use of nuclear weapons, except for. China, who have a definitive No First Use policy; India have a No First Use (unless biological or chemical agents are used against the country & its population), and Israel who have nuclear weapons, but also never admit to having nuclear weapons cough-Dimona-cough.

From GlobalZero.org;

“France, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States maintain policies that permit the first use of nuclear weapons in a conflict.

“The 2018 U.S. Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) maintains the policy “the United States would only consider the employment of nuclear weapons in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States, its allies, and partners.”

If the UK even had a small device detonated on its population, Russia is guaranteed to be welcoming our Trident missiles from our V class subs, and the US would pile is, as stated above, as an ally of the US.

If PutIn dropped one on Ukraine, would we retaliate as one of our allies? Well, it depends. Like the US, the UK, France et al with a nuclear capability would probably consider multiple variables before pressing the ‘big red button’. One bomb on an allied country may not be a sudden call to arms for all.

Is this a dangerous time? Certainly. As someone with a hobby of crochet, nuclear disarmament & atomic history; I’m not running to the hills shouting, “The Russians are coming!”. But I am definitely rattled a little.

I am a Cold War baby, with Threads, Peter Watkin’s The War Game, The Day After and When the Wind Blows as my teenage video viewing. We had 4 minute warnings & constant sabre rattling in a 40 year Willy waving contest. This time is different, I think we have a man that has almost absolute power & is losing the plot (through illness? Aging? Mental Illness?) and so it’s hard to no predict his actions.

Even so, there are layers of command between PutIn and The Bomb, and I pray they’ll de-escalate if they ever get the command to fire.

I guarantee if Russia nuked us that NATO would back off not get involved . We would be seen as very unfortunate but they would make it clear they don’t want to escalate to ww3. Basically they can say all they want now that an attack one one nato member is an attack on all but we are a small island and if it happened they wouldn’t want to be dragged into it

[LuluBlakey1]

@GoneWithTheWine1

And we have Tony Blair who literally started a war over NOTHING and to this day is still protected.

How is that relevant to Putin or to the fact we have a reckless, inexperienced, loose-mouthed, gobshite for a Prime Minister?

[AriadnesWeb]

I see the Russian bots are busy tonight on this thread.....

[Thereisnolight]

@Scribbless99

I don’t understand the Russians, did anyone see the report on sky saying, Russia is not threatening anyone with nuclear weapons, there will be no winners is nuclear war and it must never be fought? Why do they always say the polar opposites within days of each other it confuses me

Did Putin ever actually say he would be the first to use nuclear weapons? Or did he just say he would retaliate with them? Afaik it’s the latter.

[notimagain]

@Scribbless99

I don’t understand the Russians, did anyone see the report on sky saying, Russia is not threatening anyone with nuclear weapons, there will be no winners is nuclear war and it must never be fought? Why do they always say the polar opposites within days of each other it confuses me

In part to cause anxiety and uncertainty in the west..especially amongst the general public.

We had a debate similar to this in the Spring when Putin made nuclear related comments, that died down eventually. Obviously it kicked off again after his comment a few days ago..if this conflict continues well into the winter - which it probably will - I'd expect him to raise the threat again and there will be another round of debate on the subject....

[Scribbless99]

I don’t understand the Russians, did anyone see the report on sky saying, Russia is not threatening anyone with nuclear weapons, there will be no winners is nuclear war and it must never be fought? Why do they always say the polar opposites within days of each other it confuses me

[JaninaDuszejko]

Putin needs China more than they need him and China won't want a nuclear war. I'm sure that western diplomatics are talking with China and India and Brazil and working out strategies with them to calm Putin down and give him a way out that saves face.

But really, there's no point worrying about it, there's nothing we as individuals can do to change things so try and step away from the media for a bit.

[macthekwife]

How does worrying help?

Is it worth my time?